Question about "Prefixes cannot be changed"

[anagram]

Which orbs does this protect against?

It doesn't protect against using a chaos orb, everything gets re-rolled.

Will it prevent the prefixes from being rerolled by a divine orb?
Will it prevent an orb of annulment from removing any of prefixes and force it to remove only suffixes?
Will it prevent an exalted orb from adding a prefix and force it to only add suffixes?

Does it protect against anything else?

The same questions would apply to "suffixes cannot be changed".

What I'd like is a way to re-roll only suffixes or only prefixes. By reroll, i mean randomly pick new ones.

So if I had a tier 1 life, and garbage suffixes, I could lock in the Life prefix and keep re-rolling until I got good suffixes. Or, vice versa by locking in suffixes and trying to get new prefixes.

Is there by chance a website where you can practice crafting to see exactly what everything does?

[zoutzakje]

I am also curious about these questions. I've never done much workbench crafting and i figure it's time to change that.

A website like that would be awesome.

[Lord Commander]

It doesn't protect against chaos ?
I thought it works with chaos but only once (since "prefixes cannot be changed" is a suffix).
I never used those mods myself though.

[Loco]

Originally posted by Lord Commander:

It doesn't protect against chaos ?
I thought it works with chaos but only once (since "prefixes cannot be changed" is a suffix).
I never used those mods myself though.

Last time I crafted this was how it worked. Protected once but mastermod was toast.

Been a while since I crafted though, and I do suffixes then prefixes, without chaos orbs. They could add too many mods and block the ability to put a 'cannot be changed' on it, then you had to pray an orb of annulment didn't remove the mods you wanted while opening up a prefix/suffix slot you needed.

Any reason you're doing prefixes first? I'm assuming a good life mod?

As for a practice website, https://sheymyster.github.io/PoE-Craft/
Google is your friend.

[Loco]

Crap, forgot to answer original question.

It protects through alteration spam, using a scouring (once), prevents the number from being changed with a divine orb, should prevent the current prefixes from being changed with a chaos orb (but will be removed and possibly replaced with a new mod), and an orb of annulment won't remove a prefix while the mastermod is on the item but it can remove the mastermod.

Also note that the mastermod occupies a suffix slot so after removing it you'll have a suffix slot to fill via exalted orb.

[Ratio decidendi]

That means that prefixes are protected against Annulment, Chaos, Divine and Scour. But are not protected against rerolls via essence or resonator.

The 'cannot change prefix' is a suffix though, so it will be rerolled. This means that if you annul the item, you could potentially waste exalts because you annul the 'cannot change prefix' mod and have to craft it again. This is why nobody ever does that. If you want to mod suffixes, you scour.

Also, if there is an open prefix, it doesn't prevent getting a prefix slammed. But very few people to do this because it could be a really bad prefix. The better approach is where you have 2-3 desirable (and preferably, rare) prefixes on the item after scouring. Then you can simply add a multimod modifier and choose whatever you want for the remaining slots.

Unless you are swimming in exalts, I wouldn't recommend adding 'prefixes cannot be changed' just to isolate 1 good mod. It's cheaper just to alt spam, augment and regal for whatever you need - if regaled item sucks then, you scour and repeat.

Chaos spam is more random and cost inefficient to the alt-aug-regal-scour or alc-scour methods, especially if you are only looking for one particular mod. Also, since your 'cannot change prefix' mod is removed upon scouring, you'll need to add it on again afterwards to protect your mod against your next chaos application and so on for each chaos. The risk of adding bad suffixes with no easy way to remove them is also not something I would accept.


Frankly, I don't understand why you want to spend 2 ex to preserve a t1 life prefix, and that you are willing to randomly roll suffixes back onto the item afterwards. Mechanically, yes, you can do that; it's your currency, you can do whatever you want with it.

But it would be more cost efficient to buy a high level base, use alt-aug-regal-scour to get 2 desirable mods, metacraft the 'cannot change prefix/suffix', scour and then multimod actual desirable mods back on. At this point, if you are feeling daring or rich, you can spend your wealth trying to annul the 'can have multiple crafted modifiers' mod off after you finish metacrafting, then exalt slamming the last suffix.

[dxdiag]

i can tell you one example (there are more but i dont fiddle much with the prefix/suffix cant be changed crafting mods) where it's used successfully, and that is the guaranteed way to completely multi mod craft an item to your liking by making use of a "prefixes/suffixes" can't be changed mod and an orb of scouring.

So the short version an orb of scouring wont remove prefixes/suffixes if you added the equivalent crafting mod before using the orb. the crafted mod will then be removed because thats usually always the opposite affix type it wants to protect.

So i'll describe a perfect situation here, any best base weapon type; your aim is to get a 1 affix rare weapon, under normal circumstances an item will be reverted back to magic rarity if only one suffix/prefix mod remains on the item (except when you are using orb of annulment but ignore that situation for now). But there is a way to accomplish this without using orb of annulments and at least eliminate the RNG of orb of annulment at the cost of higher currency for the craft.

step 1: you apply an orb of transmutation to a white/normal weapon base type to turn it into a magic rarity item.
step 2: you use alteration spam to get a desired tier 1 prefix/suffix, in this perfect situation you hit tier 1 increased physical weapon damage as a single prefix mod and no suffix mod.
step 3: you then apply a regal orb to upgrade the item to rare rarity and the item gets a random suffix you dont want for this weapon (in this example)
step 4: you add the "can have multiple crafted mod" suffix for 2 exalted orbs
step 5: you then craft the "prefixes can't be changed" suffix mod for 2 exalted orbs, your suffix slots are full now.
step 6: you then craft ANY prefix to simply have 2 prefixes at that moment, more explanation on that later.
step 7: you then use an orb of scouring on the item, because you crafted "prefixes cant be changed" on the item beforehand the end result is a RARE weapon with one desired and one crafted random prefix. If you did not add a random crafted prefix before using an orb of scouring your item would have been downgraded to a 1 prefix mod MAGIC item.
step 8: you then remove the random crafted prefix with the WORKBENCH (another orb of scouring cost). You now have a Rare weapon with 1 desired prefix because removing the crafted prefix doesnt downgrade the item to a one prefix magic rarity item.
step 9: you add the "can have multiple crafted mods" suffix again for 2 exalted orbs, and fill up all the prefix/suffix slots to your liking.

Ultimately this is the guaranteed more costy way to setup a desired 1 prefix/suffix rare item to multicraft with. however only if you managed to hit your desired prefix/suffix tier roll as only mod as magic item in the beginning of the crafting process. Therefore it's strongly recommended to replace this costy method by making use of an orb of annulment at the cost of RNG, this orb can remove a random mod of an item which doesnt affect the item rarity. So if you used an orb of annulment in the above mentioned crafting steps then you only needed to do steps 1-3, use an orb of annulment hoping to remove the added suffix and behold, you also have a 1 (desired) prefix mod rare item.

On the path of exile gamepedia wiki in the crafting section : "suffix or prefix wipe" there is another situation described for crafting purposes :) hopefully this post was helpful to you!

[Lord Commander]

Originally posted by dxdiag:

step 3: you then apply a regal orb to upgrade the item to rare rarity and the item gets a random suffix

What if you get a prefix with the regal ? You can't remove it after you craft "prefixes cannot be changed".
So just scour and back to alt spamming ?

[dxdiag]

Originally posted by Lord Commander:

Originally posted by dxdiag:

step 3: you then apply a regal orb to upgrade the item to rare rarity and the item gets a random suffix

What if you get a prefix with the regal ? You can't remove it after you craft "prefixes cannot be changed".
So just scour and back to alt spamming ?

Yeah i was describing the "perfect/ideal" situation setup where you would get a wanted prefix/suffix roll as the only mod on the magic item to then get an opposite affix if you used a regal. if you would get the same affix type after using a regal and its not a wanted one in general or tier wise then you could scour it an start the process all over but i would probably try and use an orb of annulment first and see if my leftover affix is the wanted one i wanted to build upon. If not then it's scour and transmute + alt spam all over again.

[anagram]

Originally posted by Lord Commander:

Originally posted by dxdiag:

step 3: you then apply a regal orb to upgrade the item to rare rarity and the item gets a random suffix

What if you get a prefix with the regal ? You can't remove it after you craft "prefixes cannot be changed".
So just scour and back to alt spamming ?

In my situation that would be ok to get another prefix alongside the prefix I want, since I'm only after 1 prefix and 2 suffixes, plus a crafted suffix I add after. It could even add 2 more prefixes for all it matters.

[jamesc70]

The ONLY time I use prefix/suffix can't be changed is with ilvl 84+ Shaper/Elder items.

The amount of times it has worked for me - 0.