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DarkFaceGlow Dec 22, 2017 @ 1:39pm
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How are people getting like 200k DPS?? Most I’ve ever gotten from one skill is like 22k. What am I missing besides a brain here?
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Drake Dec 22, 2017 @ 2:09pm 
1. Don't look at tooltip dps, it doesn't account for most of the buffs and secondary damage outputs. Sometimes it's not even dps that is shown but just the average damage per hit.

2. use path of building to calculate your real dps, you can even import you full char with stuff etc. Usually people count everything, flasks, charges, curses etc.

Some skills with 20K tooltip dps are actually at 600K real dps.
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DarkFaceGlow Dec 22, 2017 @ 2:42pm 
Ohhhhhhh ok. Awesome, thanks!
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DarkFaceGlow Dec 22, 2017 @ 2:46pm 
Damn I wish I was home so I could do this. I even have the planner. I just never thought I could import. Ugh. 5 hours to go....
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Krausser Dec 22, 2017 @ 4:11pm 
To give an example to what Sajah said:

typical wanders usually use two skills - kinetic blast and barrage.

Kinetic Blast only shows impact tooltip, it doesnt take any of the 4 explosions into consideration. So with 7 projectiles, and a boss stuck on a wall, 10-15k tooltip can become 200-300k real dps. Same stuff with Barrage - tooltip only shows dps per one projectile, for whatever reason. So if you count, like, all projectiles(4 from skill, 2 from dying sun, 1 from enchant) the 20k tooltip becomes something like 140k. That's not counting other things, curses, elemental resistance penetration, shock on the enemy and what not.
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DarkFaceGlow Dec 22, 2017 @ 4:16pm 
Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:
To give an example to what Sajah said:

typical wanders usually use two skills - kinetic blast and barrage.

Kinetic Blast only shows impact tooltip, it doesnt take any of the 4 explosions into consideration. So with 7 projectiles, and a boss stuck on a wall, 10-15k tooltip can become 200-300k real dps. Same stuff with Barrage - tooltip only shows dps per one projectile, for whatever reason. So if you count, like, all projectiles(4 from skill, 2 from dying sun, 1 from enchant) the 20k tooltip becomes something like 140k. That's not counting other things, curses, elemental resistance penetration, shock on the enemy and what not.

This is good stuff to know. Makes me want to get home and see what my guy is actually doing. Cuz I have Cyclone, Plus Molten Strike triggered from my Axe. Plus the added other junk. Can’t friggin wait!
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Krausser Dec 22, 2017 @ 4:26pm 
Originally posted by MikeDommy:
Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:
To give an example to what Sajah said:

typical wanders usually use two skills - kinetic blast and barrage.

Kinetic Blast only shows impact tooltip, it doesnt take any of the 4 explosions into consideration. So with 7 projectiles, and a boss stuck on a wall, 10-15k tooltip can become 200-300k real dps. Same stuff with Barrage - tooltip only shows dps per one projectile, for whatever reason. So if you count, like, all projectiles(4 from skill, 2 from dying sun, 1 from enchant) the 20k tooltip becomes something like 140k. That's not counting other things, curses, elemental resistance penetration, shock on the enemy and what not.

This is good stuff to know. Makes me want to get home and see what my guy is actually doing. Cuz I have Cyclone, Plus Molten Strike triggered from my Axe. Plus the added other junk. Can’t friggin wait!

Huh, the molten burst is gonna be tough to calculate. Ngamahu's Flame spews balls everywhere, and it all depends on your cyclone's attack speed as well. It also has a tendency to sometimes, rarely, miss with some of the projectiles. I know for a fact that my Molten Strike 4L setup with Ngamahu's Molten Burst did something close to 1,5m dps on shaper in 3.0. Praise Dying Sun and fire penetration.
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Awesome! Dec 22, 2017 @ 4:27pm 
for skills like that pob usually just gives you average damage per ball
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DarkFaceGlow Dec 22, 2017 @ 4:37pm 
Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:
Originally posted by MikeDommy:

This is good stuff to know. Makes me want to get home and see what my guy is actually doing. Cuz I have Cyclone, Plus Molten Strike triggered from my Axe. Plus the added other junk. Can’t friggin wait!

Huh, the molten burst is gonna be tough to calculate. Ngamahu's Flame spews balls everywhere, and it all depends on your cyclone's attack speed as well. It also has a tendency to sometimes, rarely, miss with some of the projectiles. I know for a fact that my Molten Strike 4L setup with Ngamahu's Molten Burst did something close to 1,5m dps on shaper in 3.0. Praise Dying Sun and fire penetration.

Well, I’d take into account that most things will miss from time to time.
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DarkFaceGlow Dec 22, 2017 @ 4:38pm 
Originally posted by Awesome!:
for skills like that pob usually just gives you average damage per ball

Yeah, even without Burst, I’m curious to see what’s what.
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DarkFaceGlow Dec 22, 2017 @ 8:05pm 
Is there a way to calculate everything? All I'm figuring out is each skill separately.
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Deadbubble Dec 22, 2017 @ 9:03pm 
Originally posted by MikeDommy:
Is there a way to calculate everything? All I'm figuring out is each skill separately.

Add cyclone dps and molten burst dps (you'll have to calculate this yourself.) Molten Burst Cyclone isn't as 'straightforward' when it comes to determining final DPS.
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DarkFaceGlow Dec 22, 2017 @ 9:52pm 
Originally posted by Deadbubble:
Originally posted by MikeDommy:
Is there a way to calculate everything? All I'm figuring out is each skill separately.

Add cyclone dps and molten burst dps (you'll have to calculate this yourself.) Molten Burst Cyclone isn't as 'straightforward' when it comes to determining final DPS.

Got it :)
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Krausser Dec 23, 2017 @ 12:40am 
Originally posted by Farkenel:
Originally posted by MikeDommy:
How are people getting like 200k DPS?? Most I’ve ever gotten from one skill is like 22k. What am I missing besides a brain here?

You need to stop paying attention to sheet DPS. Lets take Cyclone for example. You'll have something like 150k sheet dps, meanwhile your actual dps is like 1 million.

My Berserker Bladeflurry guy has like 8k sheet dps, and absolutely walks all over everything. Uber Atziri is faceroll.

Blade flurry shows average damage per hit though, not dps.
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DarkFaceGlow Dec 23, 2017 @ 4:46am 
Originally posted by Farkenel:
Originally posted by MikeDommy:
How are people getting like 200k DPS?? Most I’ve ever gotten from one skill is like 22k. What am I missing besides a brain here?

You need to stop paying attention to sheet DPS. Lets take Cyclone for example. You'll have something like 150k sheet dps, meanwhile your actual dps is like 1 million.

My Berserker Bladeflurry guy has like 8k sheet dps, and absolutely walks all over everything. Uber Atziri is faceroll.

Now if I can only figure out how to find this number lol. Even in Path of Building, I’m still only seeing tooltip damage....which I can see in-game :/
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Deadbubble Dec 23, 2017 @ 7:31am 
Originally posted by MikeDommy:
Originally posted by Farkenel:

You need to stop paying attention to sheet DPS. Lets take Cyclone for example. You'll have something like 150k sheet dps, meanwhile your actual dps is like 1 million.

My Berserker Bladeflurry guy has like 8k sheet dps, and absolutely walks all over everything. Uber Atziri is faceroll.

Now if I can only figure out how to find this number lol. Even in Path of Building, I’m still only seeing tooltip damage....which I can see in-game :/

You're not. PoB doesn't show tooltip DPS. It shows 'real' DPS, or at the very least, something more accurate than the tool-tip.
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