Critical strike of damage over time

[Go away]

Hi, does the crit chance and crit multiplier work with spells that are entirely DoTs? I didn't see anything about that in Gamepedia. I'm asking because they don't hit and that makes me wonder.

[Lagwin1980]

For ignite the damage is based off the initial hit that ignited BUT that is about it, dots dont crit

[Drake]

It works also for poison and bleed. Basically it only works if the dot is triggered by an initial hit, that hit being the base damage for the dot.

[Rafein]

The DoT damage cannot crit. Ever.

However, as stated above, some DoT applications are based on the damage of a hit, and if that hit crits and does more daamge, that DoT would tick for more damage.

[Broman3100]

so can you crit with righteous fire? thats dot as far as I know

[Drake]

Again, a dot can't crit. A dot doesn't even hit. You can fake it with ignite, poison and bleed because the dot damage calculation is based off the hit that triggered it (so if you crit wiht the hit, the dot will be higher), but that's it.

Skills that have inherent dots never crit, like essence drain, righteous fire, scorching ray, caustic arrow vortex etc.

[Aleksi]

Originally posted by Broman3100:

so can you crit with righteous fire? thats dot as far as I know

Righteous Fire doesn't count as an ignite

[Aleksi]

Originally posted by Zenith:

And what is the point of using Righteous Fire if it rapes the caster's health?

The point is to build maximum fire resistance and life regen so that you don't get damaged from it and receive the spell damage bonus from it.

[Drake]

Well the spell damage bonus, is kind of a bonus, the aoe alone can wreck anything coming at close range.
You can also play a RF totem chieftain. Chieftain ascendancy has a node that makes totems immune to fire, so the RF doesn't damage the totem casting it, you just pop a stick and melt everything around.

[Rafein]

Can also check the spel.

All spells have crit chance listed. If there is no crit chance listed, it cannot crit ever.

[Blaatschaapje]

Originally posted by Broman3100:

so can you crit with righteous fire? thats dot as far as I know

RF is a degen not a DoT

Originally posted by Rafein:

Can also check the spel.

All spells have crit chance listed. If there is no crit chance listed, it cannot crit ever.

Not entirely true! for instance with the crit shrine some spell do get crit like incinerate

[Drake]

RF is a dot, damage over time nodes work on it.

[Broman3100]

If rf cant crit why are people using elemental overload passive in rf builds?

[syzygy586]

There's a lot of disinformation in this thread. Righteous Fire is a very peculiar skill and has very specific interactions. The skill doesn't have a duration tag so damage over time nodes will not effect it - neither will things like rapid decay, less duration etc. RF's damage is classified as a burn or an ignite which cannot crit. It is also labeled as a spell, however it is not effected by spell damage because it is a "burn" and burn can only be buffed by increased burning damage or reduction in resistances. You can scale the size of the burn by scaling the initial hit of the spell that applies it.

Other interactions with RF is that elemental damage does scale the dmg that RF deals but it will not scale the dmg of a burn from another spell. Example - you cast fireball and it crits/ignites the enemy, the damage of the burn only takes into account the dmg of the actual spell that applied it, the only way to further scale the dmg of the burn is to link the gem with increased burning or take burning damage passives or to take damage over time nodes off the tree or to reduce the enemies resistances.

Also to the person saying that spells w/o crit chance cannot crit is wrong - you can link the skill with increased critical strikes gem to add crit to the spell and you can use the Assassin ascendancy traits to give the spell a crit chance and Diamond Shrines will give you 100% crit with spells that hit and as long as you don't have Resolute Technique.

To the user asking why people take ele overload with it - they're using cyclone or some other kind of skill to trigger it - usually orb of storms + inc aoe + inc crit strikes. Drop that and you can trigger EO easily.

[Aleksi]

Originally posted by Broman3100:

If rf cant crit why are people using elemental overload passive in rf builds?

Because they use other spell (that can crit) as main damage source and only use RF to get the spell damage bonus from it

[Drake]

Damage over time works with righteous fire, only rapid decay does not (and only if RF is self cast, rapid decay works with RF totems because they have a duration).