Over leveling?

[TheBuck]

Ok so I have a fair amount of time in this game but never really took it seriosuly and I want to start to take it more seriously. ive heard that over leveling a gem can be bad. Can someone explain to me what over leveing a gem is and how it can be bad?

[DSideDaemons]

Bad for the simple reason that gems have stat requirements. Or, at least that is what I believe was meant by that statement. Even then, that situation can be easily remedied.

[Wrarrl]

I'm not the most experienced player in the world, but my guess would be that overleveled gems doesn't work with "Cast when damage taken" set-ups and so on. If the CWDT is only lvl 1 because you are pure int char, it can only support gems up to lvl 38, and if your Immortal call gem needs level 39+, it won't work with CWDT. There are probably other stuff, but that is one of the most common reason to not overlevel gems. There can also be not meeting the str,dex or int requirements on higher level gems makes gearing harder for some builds imo.

[BeerMan]

Like the first post says it is about the ability to use the gem. While leveling your stats change all the time. Your mana regeneration and leech is not always at it's peak. If you level clarity too much you reserve too much.

Often skills increase their (often melee) damage by a few %, and the increased mana cost multiplied with support gems is not worth it. Spells on the other hand get big flat damage increases so working on being able to level them is important. That is why people push their gems over level 20. For % gems it is most of the time not worth it.

[The_Driver]

Originally posted by BeerMan:

Often skills increase their (often melee) damage by a few %, and the increased mana cost multiplied with support gems is not worth it.

Are there still attack skills left that didn't get the 2.1 treatment? (Exception: Domination Blow)

Originally posted by patchnotes 2.1:

Attack skills that have their damage based on the wielded weapon have their mana costs fixed in place from level 1 onwards. Increasing the level of the gem does not increase the mana cost of the skill.

edit: hmm... well maybe I should have added "melee" to the question, as that was specifically mentioned as "often".

[Tycen]

Originally posted by TheBuck:

Ok so I have a fair amount of time in this game but never really took it seriosuly and I want to start to take it more seriously. ive heard that over leveling a gem can be bad. Can someone explain to me what over leveing a gem is and how it can be bad?

You need not have to worry actually. To reduce a skill gem level to 1, you can actually use a vendor recipe of 1 x Orb of Regret + the skill gem. It will in return get you a level 1 skill gem.

And in order to drop just a single level of the skill gem, eg; current 'Spark' skill gem level is 15, you can make it to level 14 by, doing this vendor recipe. (1 x Orb of Scouring + level 15 'Spark' skill gem)

Hope it helps! Good luck!

[BeerMan]

Originally posted by The_Driver:

Originally posted by BeerMan:

Often skills increase their (often melee) damage by a few %, and the increased mana cost multiplied with support gems is not worth it.

Are there still attack skills left that didn't get the 2.1 treatment? (Exception: Domination Blow)

Guess not!

[Tydo]

Originally posted by The_Driver:

Are there still attack skills left that didn't get the 2.1 treatment? (Exception: Domination Blow)

Originally posted by patchnotes 2.1:

Attack skills that have their damage based on the wielded weapon have their mana costs fixed in place from level 1 onwards. Increasing the level of the gem does not increase the mana cost of the skill.

Every ranger attack, dunno about the other classes.
Not sure i can even list one that is not based off the weapon, either as %of base attack or +% extra.
And they all increase mana cost with level. Some even double up, explosive arrow being the big mana sinner.
Must have been ezmode levelling back then not worrying about mana.

[TheBuck]

Thanks everyone. Its a bit more clear now.

[Kamiyama]

Originally posted by TheBuck:

Ok so I have a fair amount of time in this game but never really took it seriosuly and I want to start to take it more seriously. ive heard that over leveling a gem can be bad. Can someone explain to me what over leveing a gem is and how it can be bad?

It only happens when you have equipment that raises your stats.

Lets say your character has strength of 50, but you have a belt of strength that increases it to 60.

Your gem requires a strength of 50, and you level it up. Now it requires strength of 51.

You then find a supreme belt of awesomeness and equip that instead, but it doesn't have the strength buff. Now you can't use your gem because you don't have enough strength to use it.

If you don't have enough strength to level up the gem, you won't be able to level it up. So it's not an issue unless you are wearing gear with stat buffs.

[TheBuck]

Originally posted by Kamiyama:

Originally posted by TheBuck:

Ok so I have a fair amount of time in this game but never really took it seriosuly and I want to start to take it more seriously. ive heard that over leveling a gem can be bad. Can someone explain to me what over leveing a gem is and how it can be bad?

It only happens when you have equipment that raises your stats.

Lets say your character has strength of 50, but you have a belt of strength that increases it to 60.

Your gem requires a strength of 50, and you level it up. Now it requires strength of 51.

You then find a supreme belt of awesomeness and equip that instead, but it doesn't have the strength buff. Now you can't use your gem because you don't have enough strength to use it.

If you don't have enough strength to level up the gem, you won't be able to level it up. So it's not an issue unless you are wearing gear with stat buffs.

Now that makes it more clear but I just want to make sure of something. When you say I can't use a gem due to not having the stats once the stats buffs are removed, you only mean at that level right? So I would be able to use it over all but just at the last level of the gem that I could before the buffs?

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pr0 stratz be -3 levels under the current zone at all times

[Lagwin1980]

Depends on what you are using the skill for.

You can't normaly break a skill because your stats are to low...if you get to the stage where stats or level are an issue the skill level up button is grey and not clickable, or you may remove a bit of gear that had stats on it which can cause gems over the reuirment to unequip the item it's in (red border,skin not showing on the char)

It's really about the utility of a skill, like one used for movment only...no point in leveling it as the utility dose not change just the mana cost, cast when damage taken is usualy prefered at lower gem levels....stuff like that

[Dynestrios]

Sometimes it is a good idea to not level whirling blades because of mana costs and leave it to lvl1. (u still can use gcp´s on it for 0,5attack speed each 1%)

[The_Driver]

Originally posted by Dynestrios:

Sometimes it is a good idea to not level whirling blades because of mana costs and leave it to lvl1. (u still can use gcp´s on it for 0,5attack speed each 1%)

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Whirling_Blades
Seems to suggest the mana cost is fixed at 15.

[OhhPaigey]

There's multiple reasons you'd want to not level or stop leveling a gem at a certain level.

Unatainable stat requirements is one, high mana cost is another, basically really check out all of your gems on the wiki, see what levels and quality does and decide from there, and also checking your builds potential.

Movement speed gems like whirling blades, shield charge, ect only increase in damage while leveling, so most people keep them at level 1.