Cao cao over liu bei

[Fluttering Chaos]

I spent my childhood liking liu bei kindness and always choose shu playthrough in every DN. But how Origins present cao cao (im still in the early game) makes me want to choose for him as he is very wise? wdy guys things

[LrenSch]

because caocao story its more complicated than liu bei you should read the literature who start the revolt to dongzhuo and yellow turban war, mostly initiated by caocao meanwhile liubei still expanding his influence and power over south area

[Action Man]

It's been a while since I've played the older DW titles, but I felt that Origins did Cao Cao much better service. In previous games, he was much more concerned with just wanting to rule everything. In this game he's given much better reasons/motivations.

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

The old titles was like "My ambitious cannot be stopped"

[Novalistrïa]

Cao cao was the winner in the end of the 3 kingdom wars for a good reason, but what follow next was disgraful and chaos.

[Klinestife]

shu definitely drew the short straw this entry. the story ends so early in the timeline that liu bei kind of just waffles around for 80% of his story and only just starts doing things as the story ends.

[Shield]

Well they're all a little more humanized, even dong zhuo, so they're more than just one-note plot devices here, surprisingly.

Team strawberry has a very strong family-first for example that I find really endearing, especially after the passing of Jian and they become "just" a vassal state.

Team kiwi is a bunch of badasses running around helping the you and me commonfolk of the world but this game actually confronts how that's not as easy as it sounds. One of the most famous people to try that got stuck on a cross.

Diposting pertama kali oleh ✨Nutkun7993✨:

The old titles was like "My ambitious cannot be stopped"

Yeah lol, tbh I walked away from Origins thinking the same thing, that team blueberry is defined by cao cao's ambitions. Not sure if good thing because true to the theme or a bad thing because cao cao still comes off as a self-obsessed warhawk nutjob -- I mean, ambitious young emperor.

[FlyingTorcensoredWhale]

I mean, all of them were ancient Chinese warlords in the end. But Cao Cao did write some cool poetry. "To My Wine I Sing" is pretty great

[awanderingswordsman]

Honestly this game made me think a lot less of Liu Bei.

I think the one big issue for his story in this game is that we aren't presented with how the land will be bad if cao cao rules it. Everything we see, cao cao is nice to the common people and excellent at governing. Theres even that map dialogue about how when his horse went out of control and damaged a peasants fence he went over and cut his hair in front of them out of penance.

Liu Bei comes in saying how the world might be better off with cao cao but he just can't accept all the people that will be sacrificed for it. The problem is, when Liu Bei says this, Cao Cao has effectively already won and the sacrifices are mostly over. Wu almost surrendered even WITH Shu coming calling for an alliance. If Liu Bei had simply surrendered, the warring era would be over without any more fighting (or at least without much). It was Liu Bei that effectively refused to let the fighting end and caused like 15 million more people to die in the next 50 years.

He doesn't even know HOW he wants to make things better and yet he keeps fighting and losing "for the people" but they never show or tell us why the people even like him? Does he have kinder policies? Does he keep the peace and fend off bandits better than other leaders? What does he actually DO to have so much undying support from the people? The only thing we see is he allows them to follow him and die instead of doing the thing that makes any sense and having them stay where they live because "cao cao would treat them well and not make trouble for peasants" further reinforcing that fighting cao cao is in fact not in the peoples best interest.

And ugh, on the other side of things, Guan Yu, for the sake of honor, allowed the warring to continue. He could have struck down cao cao and prevented the rest of the era but didn't in order to pay back cao cao. Very honorable, but with the cost of like 15 million lives associated with it. Certainly not an action in the peoples best interest. And of course Zhang Fei allowed Lu Bu to steal their castle and revolt leading to a lot of deaths.

[thorin.hannahs]

Cao Cao is the way to go. I have thought that ever since DW3 and it is one of the reasons I couldn't get very far through the Romance of the Three Kingdoms books too much love for Shu.

There was a movie about Chi Bi that was pretty good and it paints Cao Cao in a some what villainous light although I just saw him as effective and pragmatic. Oh deathly ill soldiers whose corpses we should burn to stop the spread? Got it, send them down river to the enemy fully armored. Get the enemy sick and have them burn the bodies while we do the funeral rites from a very safe distance. At least thats was how I remember it.

[Khryst]

Considering past games just took and made them all one note caricatures.

Cao Cao the "evil conqueror"
Liu Bei the "benevolent"
Sun Jian the "battle crazed ♥♥♥♥♥"

it was actually nice to see more then that this go around.

I'm just glad we didn't have liu bei going around shouting BENEVOLENCE!!!!! I mean i've always preferred wei or wu simply because of other characters in the kingdoms but damn that version of liu bei made we want to crush shu simply because of how stupid it was.

[Silvarsson]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 성진우:

I spent my childhood liking liu bei kindness and always choose shu playthrough in every DN. But how Origins present cao cao (im still in the early game) makes me want to choose for him as he is very wise? wdy guys things

Liu Bei is irrational, focused on emotions. Cao Cao is purely rational, while Sun's are about "honor and loyalty".

[Doomvora]

Origins gave cao cao, lu bu and dong zhuo (even zhang jiao) much better representation in their motives (mostly elaborated on through bonds).

I really liked that a lot of the characters got fleshed out personality wise (the yuans always felt shallow as ♥♥♥♥) and less written off as one note joke characters.

[Varl]

In the romance, Cao Cao is portrayed as a treacherous tyrant, while history has rather retained him as a fine strategist with visions of grandeur. DW origin tries to get closer to the original vision of Cao Cao, before the creation of the fictional books.

[alex010300]

The issue is that Cao Cao is using the Han Emperor to be on top despite him not needing to do so. He could have just deposed of him but didn’t because the rest of the warlords would just declare war on him. So even by 207/8 when he was on the verge of winning he still used the Han emperor as much as he wants.

[Kyrio]

If you pick caocao, you choose the side that kill your doctor shota companion