Cao cao over liu bei

[Fluttering Chaos]

I spent my childhood liking liu bei kindness and always choose shu playthrough in every DN. But how Origins present cao cao (im still in the early game) makes me want to choose for him as he is very wise? wdy guys things

[RaTcHeT302]

i dont like how passive liu bei is and cao cao is WAAAY MORE REACTIVE but meanwhile the red dudes are just chillin, like what are they even doing xDD

[At@At]

Originally posted by awanderingswordsman:

Did he really move the goal posts much? From pretty early on, he set out to conquer the entire realm and without the miracle that was the chibi battle, he would have succeeded without about the minimum possible bloodshed. At least in the game he is always calling for people to surrender to him and forgiving yellow turbans and enemy officers.

His path might be the least "honorable" but it's undoubtedly the best for the people. Meanwhile the honor of Wu and Shu cause millions of pointless deaths. Cao cao would sacrifice one, even his own father, to save hundreds, and shu and wu would sacrifice millions to save one.

From what I saw with the portrayals of the games (To be fair, its been awhile since I played the older games), Cao Cao wants to end the chaos but isn't set on conquering the realm until he hits the full point of no return. He might float the idea earlier on but it's an outlandish thought and not something he's outright going for, until things all align like it was the will of the heavens. Don't quite remember but sometime around or after puppeting the emperor where he goes whelp there goes my last chance to turnaround, guess I'm unifying the realm now or getting beheaded.

[DoctorOjama]

Originally posted by 성진우:

I spent my childhood liking liu bei kindness and always choose shu playthrough in every DN. But how Origins present cao cao (im still in the early game) makes me want to choose for him as he is very wise? wdy guys things

i still went with liu bei at the start because i like how kind he is and hes always willing to help those even if theres nothing to gain from it next ill do wu then wei. this game has done an absolute amazing job at making every faction super compelling to join by far one of the best dynasty warriors to come out

[Xuande666]

I am drawn towards Cao Cao at the moment, which is shocking given my username.

[awanderingswordsman]

Originally posted by At@At:

Originally posted by awanderingswordsman:

Did he really move the goal posts much? From pretty early on, he set out to conquer the entire realm and without the miracle that was the chibi battle, he would have succeeded without about the minimum possible bloodshed. At least in the game he is always calling for people to surrender to him and forgiving yellow turbans and enemy officers.

His path might be the least "honorable" but it's undoubtedly the best for the people. Meanwhile the honor of Wu and Shu cause millions of pointless deaths. Cao cao would sacrifice one, even his own father, to save hundreds, and shu and wu would sacrifice millions to save one.

From what I saw with the portrayals of the games (To be fair, its been awhile since I played the older games), Cao Cao wants to end the chaos but isn't set on conquering the realm until he hits the full point of no return. He might float the idea earlier on but it's an outlandish thought and not something he's outright going for, until things all align like it was the will of the heavens. Don't quite remember but sometime around or after puppeting the emperor where he goes whelp there goes my last chance to turnaround, guess I'm unifying the realm now or getting beheaded.

In this one early into chapter 3 he says his aim is to conquer the entire realm. All of the strategies they employ are to that effect starting from having his own father assassinated as reason to invade.

Basically it seems like during yellow turban and dong zhuo he is trying to restore order to the han but realizes through that it's simply too far gone and his method of solving this issue is to take complete control since it clearly can't be left to anyone else. Even his own life is worth sacrificing if it brings about a just, prosperous and peaceful kingdom.

Of course, this is his own words and what shown, it's not like anyone can really know what they are thinking.

[alex010300]

Basically Cao Cao will use any means to restore order.

[Gamer de esquerda]

Well, as they are presented in the novel and the game, I can really sympathize with both, though Cao Cao is far more ruthless in the books than he is in the game (he kills his own family without showing the slightest remorse), and in the books I like him far less than in the game.

But also, the game doesn't do him enough justice in his good parts. He does feel emotions, he deeply feels grief for Dian Wei and Guo Jia, while in the game he's like "♥♥♥♥ it, I'm a leader, I can't feel emotions", which is not like Cao Cao at all, he deeply cares about his officers, and cries when he loses them.

Another quality about Cao Cao that I like is that he doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about nobility and backgrounds. If he likes someone, he regards them, no matter if they were a farmer, or even a bandit in their past.

About Liu Bei: I always liked Liu Bei, though I agree the whole "benevolence" thing sometimes makes me just want to punch him in the face. He keeps refusing land even though the land's owners are begging him to take charge. Even Zhuge Liang rolls his eyes when he refuses Jing from Liu Biao. Also, letting Lu Bu ruling Xu is pretty ridiculous (in the books, it was actually Zhang Fei who attacks Lu Bu first, so there is no "betrayal", and Lu Bu even offers Xu back to Liu Bei and Liu Bei REFUSES). Liu Bei could have achieved so much more if he didn't confuse benevolence with naiveté.

But the way Liu Bei cares about the common people is very different from Cao Cao. While Cao Cao will trample anything to achieve his goals, Liu Bei still holds to his ideals. I think the battle of Changban shows it the most: Liu Bei is ready to risk everything to save the peasants who are running away from the fight while Cao Cao marches on them. That is what true "benevolence" is, IMO.

So, the grand difference about Cao Cao and Liu Bei IMO is: Cao Cao is all about meritocracy while Liu Bei is about equality. Cao Cao doesn't care about your background, but you must have ability, and therefore he will put the best people in charge, even if they are ruthless. ♥♥♥♥ the weak. If you're weak, you bow to the strong, and that's it.

While Liu Bei treats both nobles and commoners alike, and in fact cares more about the commoners than the nobles many times, but his naiveté many times gets in his way (fortunately, later he acquire strategists that make up for that, but a little too late, IMO. Just look at the end of Chapter 4: Wu and Wei are full of officers, while Liu Bei only has Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Zhao Yun and Zhou Cang (LOL). All very strong officers, but he needs more than strength.

While Wu... well, I really hate Wu. Whoever read the novel sees they are just a bunch of backstabbers, the game really changes their story so they don't look too bad.

[Nirhildija]

Cao Cao is the best choice, and the canonically correct choice. Also makes the story better, as the new character that is not the protagonist story makes way more sense if the protagonist joins Cao Cao. Doesn't work with Liu Bei or Sun family. The other 2 factions got the short straw, Liu Bei spends all the time running and backseat of other lords, while Sun family just fights minor warlords and bandits. Cao Cao hands down has all the cool battles, including the super battles VS Lu Bu and the coalition.

[Erik-Ray]

the slaughter at xu province is a little bit more then "minimum possible bloodshed"

[Gustavozxd]

Originally posted by Kyrio:

If you pick caocao, you choose the side that kill your doctor shota companion

I'd do it myself if I could

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Originally posted by Nirhildija:

Cao Cao is the best choice, and the canonically correct choice. Also makes the story better, as the new character that is not the protagonist story makes way more sense if the protagonist joins Cao Cao. Doesn't work with Liu Bei or Sun family. The other 2 factions got the short straw, Liu Bei spends all the time running and backseat of other lords, while Sun family just fights minor warlords and bandits. Cao Cao hands down has all the cool battles, including the super battles VS Lu Bu and the coalition.

Yeah. After seeing all three factions storylines. I realize they really halfbaked both Shu and Wu. Wei seems much, much more cinema and impactful than other two. Though whole route they fought so many epic turning point battle against large factions. Even a historical route has the most epic final large force battle that's way more complicated and fun than other two, and to top it with final boss with Guan Yu, plus all of those Shu officers have unique lines saying to MC about their first met, their journey and growth, make the whole thing feel much more involving, after all why would they pick Guan Yu as first ever friend we met? Then an alternative route for Wei went off a completely different outcome compare to other two as well.

Tbh it's as if the game originally has only Cao Cao side acting as real main story and other were added later for sake of completing the game then giving a illusion of choice that choosing faction exist in the game. Because let us be real Liu Bei's battle is just a Cao Cao stage from different side, And Sun's stage is just side mission make it slightly larger for 90% of their route.

Unfortunately that most people would pick Liu Bei or Sun just because they don't understand Cao Cao or how common media interpret him being bad guy, and don't bother finishing other route only to miss an actual good representation in the game.

[Internet_Zombie]

Originally posted by ✨Nutkun7993✨:

Originally posted by Nirhildija:

Cao Cao is the best choice, and the canonically correct choice. Also makes the story better, as the new character that is not the protagonist story makes way more sense if the protagonist joins Cao Cao. Doesn't work with Liu Bei or Sun family. The other 2 factions got the short straw, Liu Bei spends all the time running and backseat of other lords, while Sun family just fights minor warlords and bandits. Cao Cao hands down has all the cool battles, including the super battles VS Lu Bu and the coalition.

Yeah. After seeing all three factions storylines. I realize they really halfbaked both Shu and Wu. Wei seems much, much more cinema and impactful than other two. Though whole route they fought so many epic turning point battle against large factions. Even a historical route has the most epic final large force battle that's way more complicated and fun than other two, and to top it with final boss with Guan Yu, plus all of those Shu officers have unique lines saying to MC about their first met, their journey and growth, make the whole thing feel much more involving, after all why would they pick Guan Yu as first ever friend we met? Then an alternative route for Wei went off a completely different outcome compare to other two as well.

Tbh it's as if the game originally has only Cao Cao side acting as real main story and other were added later for sake of completing the game then giving a illusion of choice that choosing faction exist in the game. Because let us be real Liu Bei's battle is just a Cao Cao stage from different side, And Sun's stage is just side mission make it slightly larger for 90% of their route.

Unfortunately that most people would pick Liu Bei or Sun just because they don't understand Cao Cao or how common media interpret him being bad guy, and don't bother finishing other route only to miss an actual good representation in the game.

Cao Cao blamed one man for the death of his family and proceeded to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. They literally dammed up a river with bodies. Then they came back a year later for more. He was just as ruthless as Lu Bu. Liu Bei was naive and idealistic, which makes for an easier hero story.