The Ultimate Fate of Miles Upshur *Obvious Spoilers*

[KayO]

There's one thing I'm unsure about with the ending to this game. Did Miles Upshur "become" the a new Walrider after security kills him, or is the Walrider a separate entity that "jumped" out of Miles. Does Miles now see the world through the eyes of the Walrider, or has he passed on to heaven/hell/oblivion/whatever.

What is the ultimate fate of Miles Upshur, and what will become of all the evidence he collect from Mount Massive Asylum? Maybe these questions could be the subject of a sequel if one is made.

[Maskeno]

It's implied that he has become the Walrider because the doctor says something to the effect of "Mein god, you've become the host" I like to think Miles/Billy is running around with multiple personalities now. We never saw or heard miles, but some of his notes were hilarious.

[Mystix]

Fixer has also posted some good theories & assesments here which may be of interest to you;
http://steamcommunity.com/app/238320/discussions/0/846963710995849514/#c846963710998759116

[Amenophys]

There is no answer to your questions. Only the fact that Miles probably survived and just passed out.

Honestly, I do not wish for a sequel. I do not care that the experiments are not exposed. In the end I knew I would just not get out of here (or gimme back my fingers first!).

The fact you cannot expose the experiments is actually not that relevant. You were not here for that anyway, even if you indeed came for that at the beginning. As soon as you entered in and discovered the bodies, your mission was to escape like a coward, not to make interviews of the psychos (hell I am sure you did, we all did ;-))

[KayO]

I already read Fixer's theories. I agree with the motive of the original Walrider (only attacking staff/security) and the reason why you are betrayed.

However, Miles fate (dead or new Walrider) still seems a rather hard for me to pinpoint.

[Amenophys]

Originally posted by KayO:

I already read Fixer's theories. I agree with the motive of the original Walrider (only attacking staff/security) and the reason why you are betrayed.

However, Miles fate (dead or new Walrider) still seems a rather hard for me to pinpoint.

You have become the new host. The final words are pretty clear. It's a new dawn for you ^_^

[Maskeno]

Yeah, I'll let my imagination finish this story.


Miles/Billy enters the outside world again, the asylum patients pour from the door behind him, avoiding (perhaps in reverance) the Walrider. As the sun rises in the distance, Milly makes his way back to the car, unsure and unsettled by everything that had transpired. At this point, more Billy than miles, he looks around the car, noting the I.D badge of Miles hanging on the rearview mirror, he flashes through Miles first tenuous steps out of the car and into the asylum, the memories now present in his own mind- they are one.

As Milly puts the car into gear he stares at the asylum and the scattered patients with a multitude of feelings; Fear, understanding, pity, solace... A part of him will miss this place he has come to understand, as his understanding became so deep, his disdain for the people that made this place what it was did too. As he drives off into the new day he begins to wonder what exactly he will do.

Will he continue with Miles plan and blow the lid off this place? As he chews through this thought, a helicopter comes into view. Milly very confidently steps harder on the accelerator, his bullet ridden body is still usable now, but charred and burned or worse mutilated, it will not allow him to continue any sort of plan. As the helicopter gets closer he sees that it is in fact an attack helicopter, armed and dangerous.

At this point the helicopter opens up fire. Milly, for fear of loss of much more than just his fingers drives off the road into the bumpy offroads of Mt. Massive. The helicopter does not expect this right away and shoots past just missing its mark, but quickly begins to loop back around. Milly guns it, the suv bouncing and rattling on the rocky uneven ground of the mountain. At this point there is a cliff fast approaching, the helicopter close behind, Milly has no choice but to continue forward. As they roll off the cliff the car goes into a roll and bangs it's way down the mountain, and Miles loses conciousness.

As the car rests on it's roof at the botton of the cliff, the helicopter levels up with it and fires a high explosive just to be sure. The car is well and truly destroyed. As soldiers make their way through the wreckage, human remains are found and the cars damage is deemed too substantial to have found anything else of use. After several hours the mess is quickly cleaned up and the soldiers make their way towards to asylum for more damage prevention.

It is at this point Milly makes his way out of the cave he'd been hiding in (As Miles had passed out Billy was not worried about the fatigue of his physical domicile, he had quickly exited the overturned vehicle and hidden in the rocky crags of mt.massive. It was just a happy coicidence that a patient of the asylum had decided to hide in the back of the car deciding it was his best chance to get away.)

Milly then makes his way down the rest of the mountain into an outlying town, his broken and battered camera still in hand.

Over the next few weeks, Milly sings his story everywhere he can. Soon, the atrocities of mount massive asylum become national news The hierarchy of Murkoff disappears into wind later to be hunted by Milly. Soon almost everyone has heard of the event and the families of the former patients begin stepping forward, pilfering their fifteen minutes of fame on any program that will take them, from oprah to their local news networks.

Eventually Milly disappears, never to be seen by the public eye, all the information credited to Miles Upsher. Billy is satisfied that his tortures have been exposed and the people responsible held accountable, he leaves Miles in peace, who continues to live under a false name in an unknown location. When asked about his fingers he explains that he discovered the lack of wisdowm in clearing a wood chipper by hand, and no one he meets questions it.

[castiel]

*Spoilers*

At the end of the new whistleblower DLC, Waylon Park walk outside the asylum to miles jeep. After turning on the jeep, Park sees something in the asylum entrance, he uses the camera to zoom, wich shows this : http://imgur.com/6zgRXJ8

Yeah, Miles upshur has taken control of the walrider.

[jackalgrins]

Until new games come out to explain, or Redbarrels declares it themselves, it's all up to fan speculation. I have a wall of text theory that might deduce on Miles fate, and actions toward the end. MIGHT.

(Obvious spoilers)
As Weylon, we reach the vehicle and we're going to leave. But, sheet, what is that? A walking nightmare storm. It resembles a limping man, but quickly straightens up when it sees you - and you see it. It looks pizzd so you get the hello out of there, with the nightmare cloud hot on your heels.

If Miles did survive, why would he react with such hostility to a non-threat? Someone way out of range? Why has he become a nightmare storm, and why was he so pizzd (aside from the obvious fact we just jacked his ride). We can flat out say he did not survive having his body shot apart, and is now a carrier of Walrider swarm. A plague. Someone you do not want to sit next to in a crowded theater.

But for Miles patrons, we can defend his actions and presume he did survive. "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger." Bear in mind, Weylon did recover quickly from a bad leg and was walking by the time he reached the Exit. It's safe to say Miles could recover from having his body shot to bits, but that is a fact to reflect on. Miles is either out of his mind, or in a sort of survival mode after all the trauma he had endure (and he did see some sheet). So either he's in a sleep walk state, dead set on escaping the asylum the one way he was told to, like he had been trying to from the very beginning. But his instincts are in overdrive, and there is no way in hell he's letting anything get near his brutalized body. Thus, nightmare cloud. He's also limping, so he hasn't recovered fully from his wounds yet, and all the more super defensive/protective. When he reaches the front yard what does he see? Some dude jacking his ride. What is this dude mistaken for throughout his journey all over the asylum. A PATIENT. Weylon is dressed like a patient, covered in gore, taking Miles' ride. Weylon has had it rough as well, no doubt. But Miles has been hunted and mistreated by the patients, and it would only be natural that he would retaliate against a potential threat. Especially considering he may not be fully conscious. Or there could be more at work here.

As we learn about Weylon's trip through the notes he writes, he makes remark over how he doubts his intentions for exposing the asylum, wondering if it is the right thing to do. NO. Is it the SAFE thing to do? He recognizes the danger that could get stirred up if people get involved with the asylum. There are documents detailing how even those out of contact with the Morphogenic engine, are still affected or begin to see the spookies. Drawing attention to the asylum could be a bad thing. Yet, Weylon goes ahead and uploads the evidence to crucify Mount Massive and Murkoff's activities. Given, his intents may be to locate the other facility and halt their business. But Weylon could have changed after abandoning the asylum, and though his intentions may seem for the justice desereved by those wronged by Murkoff, these matters are not always as they seem in Outlast.

Is it possible in the end Miles became the thing he hated most, the new 'Chris Walker', hell bent in his efforts to prevent the contamination Mount Massive posed on the outside world? Or was he reacting on instinct when he saw someone potentially 'dangerous', taking his one way off that mountain?

tl;dr ~> Miles is still alive and he was just REALLY pizzd off. Sorry bro, you caught him on a bad day.

[yhades]

really

[KayO]

After playing Outlast Whistleblower, this is what I think happened.

Miles possession by the Walrider had multiple effects. Because the Walrider needs Miles to survive, it does everything in it's power to protect him. When Miles is shot up by Murkinoff PMCs the Walrider kills them all and uses it's power to heal Miles, saving his life.

Being possessed by the Walrider also causes Miles to know what the Walrider knows, the most important of which is the identity of the Whilstleblower. The Walrider essentially 'tells' Miles who Waylon is, so when Miles sees Jeremy trying to kill Waylon, he sends the Walrider to attack Jeremy.

Though Miles does show himself to Waylon, he does not attempt to stop him from stealing his car and escaping. This is for 2 reasons.
1. He knows (thanks to the Walrider) that Waylon will expose Murkinoff.
2. Because he is possessed by the Walrider, he can no longer go home, because the Walrider will follow him everywhere.

I believe the ultimate fate of Miles Upshur is that he will remain at mount massive asylum forever, both to prevent the Walrider from being exposed to the world, but also to prevent Murkinoff from recovering anything from the asylum. The Walrider's power essentially makes Miles immortal, so he really could be there forever. Could this be a fate worse than death?

As for Waylon, I belive he takes the advice of that guy from the very end of the game. After uploading his evidence and video footage, Waylon immediately flees the United States with his wife and sons to avoid retribution from any of Murkinoff's remaining forces.

[Diznits]

Keeping a tab on this thread for reasons.

[Divi]

My theory is that Miles becomes a walking corpse at the end and then transforms into the Walrider and kills everyone. The reason why he stopped when he saw Waylon in the car or whatever, was because I think he gained a little control and did what he thought was right. And he never leaves the asylum because he doesn't want any innocent people to get killed, especially if he had a wife and kids.

[Prett]

Originally posted by Divi:

My theory is that Miles becomes a walking corpse at the end and then transforms into the Walrider and kills everyone. The reason why he stopped when he saw Waylon in the car or whatever, was because I think he gained a little control and did what he thought was right. And he never leaves the asylum because he doesn't want any innocent people to get killed, especially if he had a wife and kids.

Miles more than likely died. Walrider doesn't need a living host according to the comics.

[Rick25]

I just wonder...
The camera with all the evidence that Miles recorded was destroyed at the end?
Or the walrider killed all of the soldiers before they get to the camera?
Does the camera is still on the asylum then?

I mean Waylon show the evidence to the public but still Miles got some interesting footage from the asylum that needed to be exposed.