What is wrong in the story? [SPOILERS]

[Amenophys]

Did you guys notice at some moments near the end of the game, there are windows you can look through it looks like it's daylight outside.

Especially in the last level, the scientific undergrounds, you can see humvees parked in a hallway, and there is clearly daylight behind, with what looks like a ground made of sand.

What happened here? Where does this daylight come from?

I also wonder what was about the 'prophecy' of father Martin. Why does he decide to burn himself? Ok he is a crazy, and we probably should not look too much for his actions. But it's not really fluent with the story. He is speaking of you as a "Witness" that will be able to unlock whatever power after witnessing enough horrors. This was completely forgotten in what happened next.

Follow the blood, they said. But the blood of who? Why? Never explained.

There is also all this stuff about hypnosis, erasing memories, and the guy telling you "How do you know you are not a patient?".

The clues to set up a 'you were a patient and have been programmed to go back' situation were here, and everything was dropped off on the altar of a sci-fi ending.

There is also all this demonologic background stories. This went to trash very quickly in the ending.

Why would you do that? Misleading the player is fine, but to drop off all the background story to develop a sci-fi conclusion?

Why?

[Palarus]

What that wheelchair guy told you: Nanomachines, son. We programmed cells to make that morphologic engine and that Walrider thing is made bi Billy's over the top psychic capabilities

What really happens: That Walrider thing is really summoned through a ritual that requires suffering and science (Lovecraft again) and, in the end, possesses you before getting killed.

[Amenophys]

Originally posted by Palarus:

What that wheelchair guy told you: Nanomachines, son. We programmed cells to make that morphologic engine and that Walrider thing is made bi Billy's over the top psychic capabilities

What really happens: That Walrider thing is really summoned through a ritual that requires suffering and science (Lovecraft again) and, in the end, possesses you before getting killed.

Yeah I know about the sci-fi explanation provided by the scientist (Wernicke right?).

But this explanation just doesn't fit the holes set up previously in the story. Or, worst than that, it whipes the efforts made previously to build a story. In the end the twist in the story is less satisfying in explanations that what you learnt through the documents and characters before.

[»SoD« Thekillergreece]

A sequel would explain all these unexplained wonders...

Anyway, you see Military Humvee outside because a lot soldiers entered Asylum to eliminate the threat, but they couldnt, resulting deaths. Monsters absord any bullet..

[Amenophys]

Originally posted by Thekillergreece(GRE):

A sequel would explain all these unexplained wonders...

Anyway, you see Military Humvee outside because a lot soldiers entered Asylum to eliminate the threat, but they couldnt, resulting deaths. Monsters absord any bullet..

I know why the militaries are here, you can also see them being ripped off earlier in game through cameras. But why is it daylight? Is it a bug? ;x

[Herbert]

It's actually really cool, if you notice the clocks on the walls, they actually keep real time. So I think you start the game around 9pm, and by the time you reach that far into the game, I think it's around 4 or 5am.

I think for all the "bugs" people are complaining about, this game had a ton of awesome little "attention to detail" things like that in it that I loved :)

[Companion Pube]

As far as I got it, the story went something like this:

You are a reporter who investigates rumours about a mental institution that supposedly mistreats its patients. Arriving at Mount Massive Asylum you find that something horrible has happened there with no personnel to find, mutilated and crazy inmates, piles of dead bodies and several documents that describe foregone events.

The C.I.A wanted to test the ability to reprogram the personality found in humans and hired ex Nazi scientists to help them and keep other countries from using their knowledge for themselves.

Because Nazis aren't particularly nice they performed a variety of other experiments on their insane patients as well, knowing that no one would come looking for them. But after being given their various treatments and witnessing the coupled horrors, many of the patients began seeing the so called Walrider and some even went as far as to worship him. (Father Martin and his cult for example)

The protagonist of the game, Miles Upshur, eventually witnesses these supernatural events as well and records them with his camera. Father Martin sets out on a quest to spread his newfound religion to the rest of the world and wants to use Miles' recorded footage as proof for the Walrider's existance and tries to help him escape.

Miles eventually finds himself in a military science lab where he also encounters the Nazi scientist who set all the things in motion, Dr. Wernicke. To his surprise, the Doctor is still alive tasks him with destroying the human host for the supernatural being of the Walrider. In doing so, Miles becomes the new host and is subsequently shot down by several soldiers who arrived with Dr. Wernicke in charge. The doctor himself expected the Walrider to be destroyed by the death of the first host and lets out a surprised gasp when his soldiers are slaughtered by it.



That's pretty much the gist of it, but I'm sure I didn't get all of it and possibly interpreted some thing incorrectly. If anyone wants to correct any of it, please go right ahead.

[Samsonite Prime]

I mostly agree with Companion Pube. However, the Walrider was not a supernatural being. Father Martin, some of the inmates and maybe even some of the staff thought it was (there was a document that discouraged staff from thinking it was godlike so the patients wouldn't start worshipping it), but it was physical manifestation of Billy's will through a swarm of nanobots. Father Martin, believing it to be supernatural, perhaps even divine, burned himself on the cross thinking he himself could become the Walrider or something like it...But I could be wrong.

[アゼム]

It's daylight because time is real and if you wait a few hours it turns day.

There is a door outside when you are underground because you are in the mountains and mountains are steep.

Martin wants you to spread his gospel of the Walrider. He wants you to escape to release the footage. He burns himself to summon it.

You are clearly not a patient since you drove up to the gate at the beginning.

You followed the blood to Martin. Who cares who's blood? Hundreds of people are lying around dead, do you want the names of each one?

The point of the two stories is to offer evidence to supernatural and scientific possibilities. You decide. Use that brain.

I didn't see any information that wasn't used.

[Tobbby™]

About the door with the daylight and the sand; didn´t the movie you watched in the cinema say something about a "door" they had opened? (Like a portal) And something about the religion of the sand.

[Heat, the Genius]

Originally posted by Companion Pube:

As far as I got it, the story went something like this:

You are a reporter who investigates rumours about a mental institution that supposedly mistreats its patients. Arriving at Mount Massive Asylum you find that something horrible has happened there with no personnel to find, mutilated and crazy inmates, piles of dead bodies and several documents that describe foregone events.

The C.I.A wanted to test the ability to reprogram the personality found in humans and hired ex Nazi scientists to help them and keep other countries from using their knowledge for themselves.

Because Nazis aren't particularly nice they performed a variety of other experiments on their insane patients as well, knowing that no one would come looking for them. But after being given their various treatments and witnessing the coupled horrors, many of the patients began seeing the so called Walrider and some even went as far as to worship him. (Father Martin and his cult for example)

The protagonist of the game, Miles Upshur, eventually witnesses these supernatural events as well and records them with his camera. Father Martin sets out on a quest to spread his newfound religion to the rest of the world and wants to use Miles' recorded footage as proof for the Walrider's existance and tries to help him escape.

Miles eventually finds himself in a military science lab where he also encounters the Nazi scientist who set all the things in motion, Dr. Wernicke. To his surprise, the Doctor is still alive tasks him with destroying the human host for the supernatural being of the Walrider. In doing so, Miles becomes the new host and is subsequently shot down by several soldiers who arrived with Dr. Wernicke in charge. The doctor himself expected the Walrider to be destroyed by the death of the first host and lets out a surprised gasp when his soldiers are slaughtered by it.



That's pretty much the gist of it, but I'm sure I didn't get all of it and possibly interpreted some thing incorrectly. If anyone wants to correct any of it, please go right ahead.

SPOILERS!
But is Miles dead? When he was shot down he could still hear it. I just dont understand that godamn part!

[アゼム]

Originally posted by Tobbby92:

About the door with the daylight and the sand; didn´t the movie you watched in the cinema say something about a "door" they had opened? (Like a portal) And something about the religion of the sand.

You are thinking way too much into this. The door was a door. That went outside. The devs teased you with a way out. That's it.

The morphogenic engine is a lot of speculation. The sand thing is the whole nonsense made up by Martin.

[Sir Cranberry]

Originally posted by Companion Pube:

As far as I got it, the story went something like this:

You are a reporter who investigates rumours about a mental institution that supposedly mistreats its patients. Arriving at Mount Massive Asylum you find that something horrible has happened there with no personnel to find, mutilated and crazy inmates, piles of dead bodies and several documents that describe foregone events.

The C.I.A wanted to test the ability to reprogram the personality found in humans and hired ex Nazi scientists to help them and keep other countries from using their knowledge for themselves.

Because Nazis aren't particularly nice they performed a variety of other experiments on their insane patients as well, knowing that no one would come looking for them. But after being given their various treatments and witnessing the coupled horrors, many of the patients began seeing the so called Walrider and some even went as far as to worship him. (Father Martin and his cult for example)

The protagonist of the game, Miles Upshur, eventually witnesses these supernatural events as well and records them with his camera. Father Martin sets out on a quest to spread his newfound religion to the rest of the world and wants to use Miles' recorded footage as proof for the Walrider's existance and tries to help him escape.

Miles eventually finds himself in a military science lab where he also encounters the Nazi scientist who set all the things in motion, Dr. Wernicke. To his surprise, the Doctor is still alive tasks him with destroying the human host for the supernatural being of the Walrider. In doing so, Miles becomes the new host and is subsequently shot down by several soldiers who arrived with Dr. Wernicke in charge. The doctor himself expected the Walrider to be destroyed by the death of the first host and lets out a surprised gasp when his soldiers are slaughtered by it.



That's pretty much the gist of it, but I'm sure I didn't get all of it and possibly interpreted some thing incorrectly. If anyone wants to correct any of it, please go right ahead.

MY QUESTIONS:

Okay that all makes sense and is a very good and thorough explanation, thankyou very much, Mr. Pubes. One thing still doesn't make sense. If Doctor. Wernicke believed that if killing the host of the walrider would kill it, then why would he send you in to kill billy, and then when next you see him he has the intention to shoot you and shouts out "He is the Host"? It just doesn't seem to add up.

Also do you know anything about that ugly, mean, fat guy that would throw you around and call you little pig? what was his deal?

[rservello]

Originally posted by Herbert:

It's actually really cool, if you notice the clocks on the walls, they actually keep real time. So I think you start the game around 9pm, and by the time you reach that far into the game, I think it's around 4 or 5am.

I think for all the "bugs" people are complaining about, this game had a ton of awesome little "attention to detail" things like that in it that I loved :)

Yeah, when I looked outside and saw some golden sunlight I found a clock in a lab that said it was about 5:15AM...that was really cool to me.

As for the rest. Well, the priest believed that billy was god (nano version of billy at least)...he was controlling the nano machines and taking on the form of the walrider. The priest martyred himself for his god. Not really about being insane...he was a zealot. Everything was actually explained from the start if you read all the documents in the facility, nothing was last minute to tossed in...it was all very intentional.

[rservello]

Originally posted by Sir Cranberry:

Originally posted by Companion Pube:

As far as I got it, the story went something like this:

You are a reporter who investigates rumours about a mental institution that supposedly mistreats its patients. Arriving at Mount Massive Asylum you find that something horrible has happened there with no personnel to find, mutilated and crazy inmates, piles of dead bodies and several documents that describe foregone events.

The C.I.A wanted to test the ability to reprogram the personality found in humans and hired ex Nazi scientists to help them and keep other countries from using their knowledge for themselves.

Because Nazis aren't particularly nice they performed a variety of other experiments on their insane patients as well, knowing that no one would come looking for them. But after being given their various treatments and witnessing the coupled horrors, many of the patients began seeing the so called Walrider and some even went as far as to worship him. (Father Martin and his cult for example)

The protagonist of the game, Miles Upshur, eventually witnesses these supernatural events as well and records them with his camera. Father Martin sets out on a quest to spread his newfound religion to the rest of the world and wants to use Miles' recorded footage as proof for the Walrider's existance and tries to help him escape.

Miles eventually finds himself in a military science lab where he also encounters the Nazi scientist who set all the things in motion, Dr. Wernicke. To his surprise, the Doctor is still alive tasks him with destroying the human host for the supernatural being of the Walrider. In doing so, Miles becomes the new host and is subsequently shot down by several soldiers who arrived with Dr. Wernicke in charge. The doctor himself expected the Walrider to be destroyed by the death of the first host and lets out a surprised gasp when his soldiers are slaughtered by it.



That's pretty much the gist of it, but I'm sure I didn't get all of it and possibly interpreted some thing incorrectly. If anyone wants to correct any of it, please go right ahead.

MY QUESTIONS:

Okay that all makes sense and is a very good and thorough explanation, thankyou very much, Mr. Pubes. One thing still doesn't make sense. If Doctor. Wernicke believed that if killing the host of the walrider would kill it, then why would he send you in to kill billy, and then when next you see him he has the intention to shoot you and shouts out "He is the Host"? It just doesn't seem to add up.

Also do you know anything about that ugly, mean, fat guy that would throw you around and call you little pig? what was his deal?

By mean ugly fat guy...do you mean Chris? He was a security guard there that got experimented on and decided to start ripping off his skin. Early on it is indicated that he's not actually doing what he's doing because he is a "killer", he is trying to keep order. He's just an authority that lost his mind.

[DiddyDiddler]

My question is if the nanobots are Billy's will, how do they transfer to or into Miles when he died? Wouldn't they die with him or something like that?