Why The Rare and Uncommon Jokers are Garbage?

[Albie There]

Have been playing for a while now, unlocked a lot of decks but still playing with the 1st deck (red one) until I beat a run with it, rng really crappy in official release (compared to demo).

Now, why do you add such garbage useless jokers as rare and uncommon?

Rare and uncommon should be powerful jokers not some BS like " oh duh if you score a straight flush (or royal flush) gain 2x mult"

Some of them feel more like a disadvantage than an advantage.

Or some other BS " advantage" like gaining 1 coin if you don't discard in a round, man I should have made a list, gonna do it now, take a screenshot and make a list of all the useless ridiculous " perks" you gain with lots of jokers, specially uncommon and rare.

[Shot_Trip]

Originally posted by Shari:

Originally posted by Robertt Crown:

If you won on your 2nd run you got EXTREMELY lucky.

I just unlocked a LEGENDARY joker which FFS, total garbage:

Canio

Gain 1x mult when a face card is destroyed

Lol, how rare is this event? When is a face card destroyed? and 1 freaking mult??

Legendary alright, legendary joke

I agree, when I see for the first time a legendary joker I dont expect it to be something EXTREMELY situational.

Oh yes there's a tarot card to destroy cards.... thats about it.

Underwhelming.

There's also several spectral cards that destroy cards, at least a couple jokers (Trading Card comes to mind), turning face cards into Glass and playing them (if you have a retrigger, like Red Seal, your chances go up), and I wouldn't be all that shocked if there was a boss blind that destroyed cards either.

Edit:
And let's not forget, each time you destroy a card, your chances of drawing other cards goes up. AND if you use Hanged man, it's a way to turn a five card discard into a seven card draw (you will always draw up to max hand size, with very few exceptions). Hack+Fibonacchi, for example, goes especially hard here, since with less face cards your chance for those lower cards goes up. Assuming you destroy each face card, that's 12 mult - not that bad, really, compared with Uncommon jokers and well ahead of Commons - and you can ADD faces to destroy them later, especially if you get glass ones through standard boosters or convert them with tarot into glass...

Card destruction isn't nearly as situational as you think.

yet another edit:

oh it's 1x for each destruction

oh ♥♥♥♥ that's wild

lol

[BOT Matt]

Originally posted by Robertt Crown:

If you won on your 2nd run you got EXTREMELY lucky.

I just unlocked a LEGENDARY joker which FFS, total garbage:

Canio

Gain 1x mult when a face card is destroyed

Lol, how rare is this event? When is a face card destroyed? and 1 freaking mult??

Legendary alright, legendary joke

I went to ~200,000$ hands with that card. I had a "if your first discard is 1 face card, destroy it and something something"

It was unbelievable.

[S♥ShiMe]

As many "useless" cards you think there are, there are as many people who can combo the ♥♥♥♥ out of them and get trillions of points.

[calvintheboldagain]

Originally posted by akaplan1:

I think you’re confusing adding +1 multi and x1 multi.

I've played for about 60 hours.

This post is how I'm learning there's a difference. Maybe this is why I've only won like 4 times...

[ReDsKuLL]

Canio is an extremely powerful card. You add x1 to it for every face card destroyed. You can also get a joker that makes *every* card considered a face card. You can also get jokers that destroy cards or use tarot cards to do the same, which can be created by jokers or purple seal enhancements. A a result, you can end up with things like x25 multiplier, which is insane. You simply lack the knowledge of the cards that you can get. Typically, one joker is not going to be fantastic by itself. They all require a change to your deck or other jokers. Often, it's the way you can build around them that makes them good.

[Albie There]

Originally posted by ReDsKuLL:

Canio is an extremely powerful card. You add x1 to it for every face card destroyed. You can also get a joker that makes *every* card considered a face card. You can also get jokers that destroy cards or use tarot cards to do the same, which can be created by jokers or purple seal enhancements. A a result, you can end up with things like x25 multiplier, which is insane. You simply lack the knowledge of the cards that you can get. Typically, one joker is not going to be fantastic by itself. They all require a change to your deck or other jokers. Often, it's the way you can build around them that makes them good.

The only thing you can lack in this game is luck.

This Canio card, I only ever gotten it ONCE lol, of all the gazillion times I played the game in 16 hours.

Been a long time since the last time I have played this, only ever playing this again if there is a mod where we can deactivate "X" amount of cards from the deck.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by Albie There:

The only thing you can lack in this game is luck.

... he claimed, two posts below someone admitting they've been playing for 60 hours and still missed one of the basic mechanics of the game.
Almost like there's people missing a lot of intricacies about various gameplay elements...

[Albie There]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Originally posted by Albie There:

The only thing you can lack in this game is luck.

... he claimed, two posts below someone admitting they've been playing for 60 hours and still missed one of the basic mechanics of the game.
Almost like there's people missing a lot of intricacies about various gameplay elements...

There is nothing really intricate about this game mate, it's a glorified slot machine.

[Sins]

I think its worth pointing out you're calling the game a glorified slot machine when you openly, blatantly do not understand very basic game mechanics.

like yeah man, i imagine every game seems impossibly random when nothing means anything and you're just kinda mashing buttons, but that isn't really a level of interaction games design themselves for, you can get way further just by reading half a sentence here or there.

[CPT NINGLE]

ITT: People who don't understand the game complaining about OP cards.

[Godhand]

Originally posted by Albie There:

If you won on your 2nd run you got EXTREMELY lucky.

I just unlocked a LEGENDARY joker which FFS, total garbage:

Canio

Gain 1x mult when a face card is destroyed

Lol, how rare is this event? When is a face card destroyed? and 1 freaking mult??

Legendary alright, legendary joke

I had a run with Canio today. I underestimated this guy. I also had the blueprint joker and I copied Canio. I used the hangman taro card to destroy cards directly and used a lot of glass cards to have them break. At the end I had a Canio which did like x10, combined with the blueprint joker it was x10 + x10. Utterly insane.

I also should mention that I drew Canio while my other jokers were all jokers which affect face cards, so I was really unsure and reluctant to use Canio actively. I thought it would destroy my current build but man was I wrong. It was totally the right move.

But since the game is partially luck based, it still could go wrong regardless.

[NMFK]

this kid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks at the game LOL

[Albie There]

Originally posted by Godhand:

Originally posted by Albie There:

If you won on your 2nd run you got EXTREMELY lucky.

I just unlocked a LEGENDARY joker which FFS, total garbage:

Canio

Gain 1x mult when a face card is destroyed

Lol, how rare is this event? When is a face card destroyed? and 1 freaking mult??

Legendary alright, legendary joke

I had a run with Canio today. I underestimated this guy. I also had the blueprint joker and I copied Canio. I used the hangman taro card to destroy cards directly and used a lot of glass cards to have them break. At the end I had a Canio which did like x10, combined with the blueprint joker it was x10 + x10. Utterly insane.

I also should mention that I drew Canio while my other jokers were all jokers which affect face cards, so I was really unsure and reluctant to use Canio actively. I thought it would destroy my current build but man was I wrong. It was totally the right move.

But since the game is partially luck based, it still could go wrong regardless.

Great, now play more 50 hours until you perhaps get the card again LOL

The game decides when you win or lose, it only depends of the seed. It's impossible to lose with a good seed, the game steers you in that direction. 95% luck, and 5% "skill" .

[phantom]

Honestly I would say the legendary jokers are mostly pretty bad if your goal is to win ante 8 rather than climb endless.

Though really only Triboulet is typically that great for climbing deep into endless (not counting one trick with Perkeo). Canino can help get some into endless. Triboulet is also the only one consistent for helping beat ante 8.

Also not sure why people think a million is impressive. A million does not have an e in it.

[Dax]

I'm ashamed to say it took me like 20 runs to realize that +mult and xmult are two different things