Can we all agree x-ray is the worse challenge?

[blueyandicy]

Seriously, i've completed every single challenge in this game EXCEPT for x-ray vision. It's soooo not fun. Literally just quitting to main menu over and over. It's even rng based, because it's not 1/4 cards (ie every 4 cards will have 1 face down), it's just a 25% chance to be face down (ie on AVERAGE, every 4 cards will have 1 face down) meaning you can have up to half of your hand completely covered! Like holy moly, I do not like it.

[Shino Myth]

imo challanges should be seeded

[blueyandicy]

Originally posted by Shino:

imo challanges should be seeded

Honestly that sounds fun! Because getting blinds like the The Water during Golden Needle...basically insta-kills 98% of runs.

[blueyandicy]

Originally posted by blueyandicy:

Originally posted by Shino:

imo challanges should be seeded

Honestly that sounds fun! Because getting blinds like the The Water during Golden Needle...basically insta-kills 98% of runs.

Just got X-Ray Vision done. I've been CRAZY with these challenges, did like 4 in a row. Two more achievements to go.

[BigKahuna]

the hardest is jokerless.......i hate it. that is all.

[ima]

I really hated that challenge yeah, I think going spades or diamond flush is the most reliable strategy since you don't suffer too much from having some cards face down (when you sort by colour spades are all to the left and diamonds all to the right).

[DomAnt]

I gave the challenge a try, and beat it in the first go. At first I attempted to go for a flush strategy, but wound up pivoting to two pair or full house hands with face cards, since I got the jokers for it. The benefit of focusing on face cards (and aces) is that they get ordered to the left by default, so you can just run some probabilities in your head over which of those cards are kings, queens or jacks.

[steven]

Never tried this challenge before today coz i saw too many ppl crying over it. Wanted to keep the worst for the end.
Then i saw your post and wanted to see how bad this ♥♥♥♥ is. Ty for making this post btw lol.

Well, i literaly rekted this challenge. First try. This was not that bad XD
What I had :

EGG --> The Joker that earn +3 sell value per round, first shop (Ante 1)
SWASHBUCKLER --> The Joker that gives + X Mult with X = sell value of all Jokers, third shop (Ante 1)
GIFT CARDS --> The Joker that add 1 dollars to all Jokers, fifth shop (Ante 2)
BOOTSTRAPS --> The Joker that gives + 2 Mult every 5 dollars with the Voucher that gives more interests, tenth shop (Ante 4)
CANIO (legendary) --> The Joker that gains X1 Mult when a face card is destroyed, sixteenth shop (Ante 6)

I though this game was gonna be ♥♥♥♥ with the first jokers i had in the first Ante (I was about to press R) but RNJesus blessed me later with insane combo.

Swashbuckler was at more than +100 Mult at the end of the run
Bootstrap was at +60 Mult (300 dollars or so)
Canio was at X5 Mult (found 2 tarot card destroying two cards)
I had a lot of planets card for flush and two cards

Last boss was a joke : couldn't make a flush after many discard, played a two pair, ended with 200 000 points with only one hand lol

Retried it for fun for 10 min : this challenge is ♥♥♥♥ when you don't have good setup, you are force to discard a lot or play bad hands every turn, praying for good Jokers in the next shop.
Good lord i didn't struggle and will not have to do it again

It's not the worst but it's realllllllllly bad, i'm just waiting to unlock #20 Jokerless to feel real pain (or rekt the game again with RNJesus by my side lol)

[Zelakon]

Originally posted by Shino:

imo challanges should be seeded

Agreed, like puzzles.

[blueyandicy]

Originally posted by steven:

Never tried this challenge before today coz i saw too many ppl crying over it. Wanted to keep the worst for the end.
Then i saw your post and wanted to see how bad this ♥♥♥♥ is. Ty for making this post btw lol.

Well, i literaly rekted this challenge. First try. This was not that bad XD
What I had :

EGG --> The Joker that earn +3 sell value per round, first shop (Ante 1)
SWASHBUCKLER --> The Joker that gives + X Mult with X = sell value of all Jokers, third shop (Ante 1)
GIFT CARDS --> The Joker that add 1 dollars to all Jokers, fifth shop (Ante 2)
BOOTSTRAPS --> The Joker that gives + 2 Mult every 5 dollars with the Voucher that gives more interests, tenth shop (Ante 4)
CANIO (legendary) --> The Joker that gains X1 Mult when a face card is destroyed, sixteenth shop (Ante 6)

I though this game was gonna be ♥♥♥♥ with the first jokers i had in the first Ante (I was about to press R) but RNJesus blessed me later with insane combo.

Swashbuckler was at more than +100 Mult at the end of the run
Bootstrap was at +60 Mult (300 dollars or so)
Canio was at X5 Mult (found 2 tarot card destroying two cards)
I had a lot of planets card for flush and two cards

Last boss was a joke : couldn't make a flush after many discard, played a two pair, ended with 200 000 points with only one hand lol

Retried it for fun for 10 min : this challenge is ♥♥♥♥ when you don't have good setup, you are force to discard a lot or play bad hands every turn, praying for good Jokers in the next shop.
Good lord i didn't struggle and will not have to do it again

It's not the worst but it's realllllllllly bad, i'm just waiting to unlock #20 Jokerless to feel real pain (or rekt the game again with RNJesus by my side lol)

Yeah, NP lol. I beat it on my last attempt too, but I had to reset so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ much and the constant backing in and out was not fun at all. Honestly...I beat Jokerless first try (not including ante 1 resets). That one wasn't all that bad. My least favorites by far were Golden Needle, Inflation, Knife's Edge and X-ray. But yeah, glad you retried it instead of being like "lol i beat it first try so ez get good," because while it is easy with a good setup, without it it's literally impossible or RNG/back out hell.

[Dalekin31]

1/4=25% though...

[blueyandicy]

Originally posted by Dalekin31:

1/4=25% though...

Yeah, it's hard to explain, but basically there's a difference between proportions and probability mathematically.
Let's say we give away 12 shirts.
If we say every 5 shirts, 1 shirt is blue, that is a set proportion. So no matter what, 12 shirts means 2 blues, 120 shirts mean 20 blues, ect.
Now, let's say instead we took 10 shirts out of a 100 shirt box. 1 in 5 of these shirts are blue.
Probability wise, you should get 2.4 blues and 9.6 reds. This is already different because the number of blues have increased. More importantly though, it becomes luck based: which means there's a chance that you get ONLY red's or ONLY blues.
Applying this to the game, usually when your pulling from a "set" number, you would force it so every 4 cards, 1 card is covered. Instead, it's a 25% chance of having a face down card, which means it's possible to get ALL face down cards or NO face down cards. For a 52 card deck, i'd rather have 13 face down cards ALWAYS than having random chances to get face down cards.
Hope this helped!

[CMDR Shven]

I haven't beaten every challenge yet but of the 15 or so I have done X ray was my least favorite. Face down cards in general are probably my least favorite mechanic in the game. It just effectively turns it into complete randomess. You can sometimes tell what a card is or have a 50/50 guess at it based on adjacent face up cards but it still sucks.

[Mechascoots-009]

It's actually not as hard as you think. I got there by focusing on flushes and shifting my deck into only 2 colors through tarot carts, with flush supporting jokers. Still hard, but not the worst.

[blueyandicy]

Originally posted by Mechascoots-009:

It's actually not as hard as you think. I got there by focusing on flushes and shifting my deck into only 2 colors through tarot carts, with flush supporting jokers. Still hard, but not the worst.

I don't know where you got hardest from, no one even said the word hard. Literally no one. I said it was the WORST. As in the least fun to play, most tedious, very rng heavy, ect. There's more to something being good than difficulty.

[blueyandicy]

Originally posted by CMDR Shven:

I haven't beaten every challenge yet but of the 15 or so I have done X ray was my least favorite. Face down cards in general are probably my least favorite mechanic in the game. It just effectively turns it into complete randomess. You can sometimes tell what a card is or have a 50/50 guess at it based on adjacent face up cards but it still sucks.

YESSS I 100% agree, having to back out because uh oh ur deck of 9 aces somehow only had 3 in ur hand is just like...why game. The facedown face cards are bad enough, but having a challenge dedicated to it is...not it.