WTF is this game

[Igor]

6 hours in it and i only did 2 achievements.
WHOA.

[Hulana]

is this your first roguelike?

[Igor]

Nguyên văn bởi Hulana:

is this your first roguelike?

I think it is...
Does Vampire Survivors count? I did all achievements in that one.

[Draco18s]

Nguyên văn bởi Igor:

Does Vampire Survivors count? I did all achievements in that one.

It's roguelite-like. It has some elements from roguelites, but itself isn't actually a roguelite, as generally speaking you progress by failing until you succeed (then you always succeed).

This game is very much not that.

There is a "meta-progression" but it's more along the lines of making the game harder, rather than easier.

(Sidenote: Roguelite and Roguelike are very different and almost have no comparable systems other than "procedurally generated content." Roguelites are very heavy into the meta-progression aspects, where as Roguelikes have virtually none and expect you to learn by failing).

[Winter Wolf]

Nguyên văn bởi Draco18s:

Nguyên văn bởi Igor:

Does Vampire Survivors count? I did all achievements in that one.

(Sidenote: Roguelite and Roguelike are very different and almost have no comparable systems other than "procedurally generated content." Roguelites are very heavy into the meta-progression aspects, where as Roguelikes have virtually none and expect you to learn by failing).

This is arguable. Rogue was a game with heavy RNG and a super high learning curve and its descendants tend heavily towards that trend. However Roguelikes have a number of traits that define them as such. Having NO meta-progression is definitely NOT one of them. Of course trial by error and learning as you go is fundamental to the genre. The reason I comment on this and other discussions about roguelike/roguelite is because it strikes me that the definition seems to be shifting a lot due to people not playing (or having easy access to) the older games in the genre. Many great variations of it have gone by the wayside (Portralis and Incursion are but two I miss greatly.)

To the OP: I recommend branching out and exploring more of the genre. While it can be frustrating at first and maybe even a lot, there is much about it that is interesting and novel with each new game.

In Re: frustration with Balatro, you haven't gotten very far. There is a lot you can still unlock so if you are concerned about replayability (beyond just slot machine rolling the dice kind of thing) there is much, just keep at it. When a new deck unlocks try it out.

[S♥ShiMe]

"Balatro is a poker-inspired roguelike deck builder"
- Localthunk

andddd missing certain features of roguelike......

[Scrub]

Nguyên văn bởi S♥ShiMe:

"Balatro is a poker-inspired roguelike deck builder"
- Localthunk

andddd missing certain features of roguelike......

Is that ok

[Draco18s]

Nguyên văn bởi Winter Wolf:

This is arguable. Rogue was a game with heavy RNG and a super high learning curve and its descendants tend heavily towards that trend. However Roguelikes have a number of traits that define them as such. Having NO meta-progression is definitely NOT one of them.

Meta-progression has a strong association with Roguelites due to their short-game nature and is not in the 9 point list of the Berlin Interpretation (nor the 5 low-value factors).

The fact that there are Roguelikes with meta-progression in no way invalidates my point (I said they generally don't).

[Igor]

Update: 7,5 hours = 3 achievements

[oldagetron]

Nguyên văn bởi Igor:

6 hours in it and i only did 2 achievements.
WHOA.

Do you enjoy playing the game or do you just play for achievements?

[Ricey, Professional 70's Pimp]

Nguyên văn bởi Igor:

Nguyên văn bởi Hulana:

is this your first roguelike?

I think it is...
Does Vampire Survivors count? I did all achievements in that one.

just a warning, this game is addicting af once you start to learn all the crazy combos and jokers that can be combined

[Igor]

Nguyên văn bởi oldagetron:

Nguyên văn bởi Igor:

6 hours in it and i only did 2 achievements.
WHOA.

Do you enjoy playing the game or do you just play for achievements?

Both... both.
If I enjoy the game, I want to get the most achievements I can.
But the feeling with Balatro is that im going nowhere.

[Goblin]

I just checked, I got 6 achievements in about one hour, another 4 the next day, 2 the day after that, then one, then three. And I wasn't focusing on them, this was just by playing runs on various decks as I unlocked them. I still have some I could get pretty quick if I focused purely on them, including Completionist.

This game's not great for achievement-completionists because of the final two achievements, but your unlock speed seems very much a you-issue, not one with the game.

[Zelakon]

Nguyên văn bởi Draco18s:

Meta-progression has a strong association with Roguelites due to their short-game nature and is not in the 9 point list of the Berlin Interpretation (nor the 5 low-value factors).

The fact that there are Roguelikes with meta-progression in no way invalidates my point (I said they generally don't).

I thought the main difference that turns a roguelike into a 'lite' was if any meta-progression it might contain were to gradually buff the player to make future runs easier, rather than relying entirely upon player-gained skill and/or knowledge.

This is why Balatro is a roguelike; because although it has meta-progression in the form of unlockable jokers, later runs are not made any easier by permanent power-ups etc.

[Igor]

I FINALLY WON!
I won for the first time!

https://steamcommunity.com/id/maokonyn/screenshot/2465230853009921896/

[sab0t]

Nguyên văn bởi Igor:

I FINALLY WON!
I won for the first time!

https://steamcommunity.com/id/maokonyn/screenshot/2465230853009921896/

congrats!! first win is a great accomplishment!