The Mouth (Play One Hand Type) Question

[Phlegm]

I was playing flushes in this blind, then played a royal flush, which was rejected as a different type. Shouldn't it technically be permitted?

[Goblin]

No? Why would it? A Royal Flush is a Straight Flush, not a Flush.
When asked to play a Pair, would you play a Full House?

[Phlegm]

No need to be snarky re the full house. A straight flush is a type of flush, is it not?

[Aw3som3-117]

Hand types are a very specific thing in this game, and a straight flush is not the same as a flush. It "contains" a flush, which is another key term that some jokers use, but it isn't "a" flush.

If this wasn't the case, then playing a high card against the boss would invalidate all future hands because they contain a high card within them.

[Phlegm]

Got it, thanks!

[Goblin]

Originally posted by Phlegm:

No need to be snarky re the full house. A straight flush is a type of flush, is it not?

It wasn't snark, and no it's not. That's exactly why I added the Full House example, it is as much a type of Flush as a Full House is a type of Pair. They contain the lower hand type, but they aren't said type, same reason you don't get your chips and mult from Venus planets on a Straight Flush.

Originally posted by Aw3som3-117:

If this wasn't the case, then playing a high card against the boss would invalidate all future hands because they contain a high card within them.

Would validate all hands, in this case. It'd invalidate all on The Eye.

[Aw3som3-117]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Originally posted by Aw3som3-117:

If this wasn't the case, then playing a high card against the boss would invalidate all future hands because they contain a high card within them.

Would validate all hands, in this case. It'd invalidate

Ah, right, my mind naturally went to the boss that forces all hand types to be different cause that one's usually more annoying haha

Yeah, in this case that would validate all other hands if it used the "contains" logic

[Monoxide]

Originally posted by Phlegm:

No need to be snarky re the full house. A straight flush is a type of flush, is it not?

Yes a DIFFERENT TYPE of flush than a regular flush in a boss where the promt is to play ONE hand type.

[Draco18s]

See also:
Five Flush and Flush House

[Game Judge James]

Originally posted by Aw3som3-117:

Hand types are a very specific thing in this game, and a straight flush is not the same as a flush. It "contains" a flush, which is another key term that some jokers use, but it isn't "a" flush.

If this wasn't the case, then playing a high card against the boss would invalidate all future hands because they contain a high card within them.

It should be said that only the highest ranking hand will be counted as what is played. If you play a Royal Flush, the game is not going to call it a flush, since Royal Flush is the highest hand ranking. Just a simple slip-up like this is one of myriad of ways to end your own run. All part of the game's learning curve.

[Draco18s]

Originally posted by Game Judge James:

It should be said that only the highest ranking hand will be counted as what is played. If you play a Royal Flush, the game is not going to call it a flush, since Royal Flush is the highest hand ranking. Just a simple slip-up like this is one of myriad of ways to end your own run. All part of the game's learning curve.

Technically Royal Flush isn't its own hand type, it's just a fancy name for a specific arrangement of a Straight Flush (and that's what the game cares about).

[Polyurethane]

This is where Poker and Balatro hands have a key difference - in poker Royal Flush is it's own hand type. In Balatro, Royal Flush = Straight Flush.

Each other type of flush is it's own hand type - Flush, Flush House, and Flush Five.

[jn110]

In poker, there's no functional difference between an ace high straight flush and a royal flush either (so not what I'd call a key difference). The royal isn't really "it's own hand type" - it's just commonly called a royal as an ace high straight flush is the highest possible hand in standard 52 card poker.

If you're actually talking about video poker machines, then I'd agree this a key difference, because video poker machines typically have different payouts for royal flush vs. straight flush.

[Polyurethane]

Just talking about good old poker. Doesn't matter if it's 5 card stud or Texas hold-em. If you look up the rules for poker, the Royal flush is always listed as the #1 hand, with straight flush always #2.

It's not functionally the same as a Straight Flush, though, because it represents the Apex hand that you can never beat, only match. You can beat a Straight Flush with a Royal Flush or a higher straight flush. Straight Flush, although comprised of the same elements, does not carry the same meaning or weight as a Royal Flush.

[jn110]

The first link on Google for “rules of poker” is to Bicycle Cards and says:

“Straight Flush – This is the highest possible hand when only the standard pack is used, and there are no wild cards. A straight flush consists of five cards of the same suit in sequence, such as 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 of hearts. The highest-ranking straight flush is the A, K, Q, J, and 10 of one suit, and this combination has a special name: a royal flush or a royal straight flush. The odds on being dealt this hand are 1 in almost 650,000.”

[bigblind]

I understand how the game sees it, but it still somehow feels wrong in my brain. Like, I guess a straight flush to me is just a superposition of a straight and a flush so it fits in both hand types, having both the property of being in sequence, and the property of having the same suit.