The higher difficulties are insufferable.

[C.D. Mann]

You basically win and lose your run at the skip tags + shop. Did you get reroll and additional voucher? Tough luck.

[malogoss]

Wrong.
Buying an early voucher is a good way to ruin a run, at high stakes. So buying 2 is an absolute disaster.

If at low stakes, anything goes anyway, so do whatever you feel like.

[RazzberryMocha]

At higher stakes you should almost never skip. The only skips I'll ever take are the $25 after boss blind/free shop in the first ante when they appear or a boss reroll when it's necessary. In the first ante though, just select the first blind and choose a joker from the shop or from the guaranteed buffoon pack.

[C.D. Mann]

Originally posted by RazzberryMocha:

At higher stakes you should almost never skip. The only skips I'll ever take are the $25 after boss blind/free shop in the first ante when they appear or a boss reroll when it's necessary. In the first ante though, just select the first blind and choose a joker from the shop or from the guaranteed buffoon pack.

Why would you do the first blind of a high stakes? For the $2 it offers when I could skip for an uncommon/rare?

[C.D. Mann]

Originally posted by malogoss:

Wrong.
Buying an early voucher is a good way to ruin a run, at high stakes. So buying 2 is an absolute disaster.

If at low stakes, anything goes anyway, so do whatever you feel like.

That's what I mean. The first blind on a run is useless so you may as well skip. If the first blind is a double voucher the entire run is SOL.

[RazzberryMocha]

Originally posted by C.D. Mann:

Originally posted by RazzberryMocha:

At higher stakes you should almost never skip. The only skips I'll ever take are the $25 after boss blind/free shop in the first ante when they appear or a boss reroll when it's necessary. In the first ante though, just select the first blind and choose a joker from the shop or from the guaranteed buffoon pack.

Why would you do the first blind of a high stakes? For the $2 it offers when I could skip for an uncommon/rare?

It's super easy to clear in one hand and you get to visit the shop after. If there's a decent skip for the big blind and the small blind shop gave you something good then go ahead. In 99% of scenarios though a skip tag is always less worthwhile then a shop, especially later when the random jokers you'd get are far more likely to not fit into your build then be decent.

[malogoss]

Originally posted by C.D. Mann:

Originally posted by malogoss:

Wrong.
Buying an early voucher is a good way to ruin a run, at high stakes. So buying 2 is an absolute disaster.

If at low stakes, anything goes anyway, so do whatever you feel like.

That's what I mean. The first blind on a run is useless so you may as well skip. If the first blind is a double voucher the entire run is SOL.

The way you worded it, I thought you meant you were looking for double voucher. So we agree, that would be a bad skip.

The thing is, skipping is not a good idea if your goal is to be consistent, as in, keep a high win rate. What it does is basically lowers your chances of winning the whole run, the upside is you can possibly walk out of it being much more powerful than if you did not skip. But this requires the stars to align well for the next few blinds/shops. That's why your win rate will suffer.

The better you play, the more skipping becomes a bad idea.

But by skipping, you might, if very lucky, gain the extra edge needed to win if you're not playing very well.

The best analogy I can come up with is, skipping early is like betting on a coin flip with the payout being 4:3. It's a really bad idea. But if you have only $30 and your life depends on having $40, then the gamble is worth it. If you started with $50, you'd be silly to gamble. In this analogy, the starting money is your skill level, $40 is the minimum required to win a run.

[Mel Gibson]

You are correct and skipping the first blind is generally good, that is just obvious. But it is not necessary, as you imply. If you don't get a good tag, just don't skip (the $2 might not look much, but it helps in the snowballing, and it actually immediately becomes $3 in the next shop due to you being above $5, if you don't spend it first) or just restart until you get a better tag. Be warned that restarting all the time DOES ruin the game experience. It just does. You are not playing the same game once you start doing (and relying on) it.

By the way many people don't know this, but you can hold R to restart more quickly.

[malogoss]

Originally posted by Mel Gibson:

You are correct and skipping the first blind is generally good, that is just obvious.

I think you'd be surprised if there was a poll done to know what is the opinion of players who can beat gold at least 50% of the time, on that matter.

When I say 50%, I'm counting holding R as a loss.

[Mel Gibson]

Originally posted by malogoss:

Originally posted by Mel Gibson:

You are correct and skipping the first blind is generally good, that is just obvious.

I'm counting holding R as a loss.

Then you are selecting people who don't do it. Why would I be surprised?

[malogoss]

Originally posted by Mel Gibson:

Then you are selecting people who don't do it. Why would I be surprised?

Yes, that's my point. You can't say "skipping the first blind is generally good" when you're holding R until the skipping conditions are good.

Skipping is overwhelmingly bad when it's good 1 in 15 seeds, or whatever the ratio is.

[ROE]

My only problem with gold / orange is that the game will not give me good jokers that I can use, and if it does they have timed tags attached to them, or I get all chips cards and no multis, or no x multis. It gets old.

[Mel Gibson]

Originally posted by malogoss:

Originally posted by Mel Gibson:

Then you are selecting people who don't do it. Why would I be surprised?

Yes, that's my point. You can't say "skipping the first blind is generally good" when you're holding R until the skipping conditions are good.

Skipping is overwhelmingly bad when it's good 1 in 15 seeds, or whatever the ratio is.

What are we evaluating here? Blindly skipping anything before even knowing which tag one is gonna get? Sure, I would vote no in that poll, but why would I care about that? It doesn't help me make better decisions in the game since that situation never happens in the game. Reading you guys' comments, a beginner comes to the conclusion that "skipping is generally bad" as in "betting in slots is bad", so "I better never do it".

If you get a holographic tag or the one that gives $25 at the end of the boss I think you should probably do it, and if you get the double voucher tag or even the rare tag, you should probably not, depending on your objectives (just beating the game vs. achievement hunting, etc.)

[williamatics16]

I always restart if I don't one-shot the first blind or get a decent skip for it.

[Mel Gibson]

Originally posted by malogoss:

Originally posted by Mel Gibson:

Then you are selecting people who don't do it. Why would I be surprised?

Yes, that's my point. You can't say "skipping the first blind is generally good" when you're holding R until the skipping conditions are good.

Skipping is overwhelmingly bad when it's good 1 in 15 seeds, or whatever the ratio is.

I guess your point is that me saying "skipping is generally good" without clarifying that I'm saying that "GIVEN THAT you know the tag you're gonna get is probably useful" is as deceiving to a beginner as I think you saying "skipping is generally bad" is. If that is the case, I'll take it.

[RazzberryMocha]

Originally posted by Mel Gibson:

Originally posted by malogoss:

Yes, that's my point. You can't say "skipping the first blind is generally good" when you're holding R until the skipping conditions are good.

Skipping is overwhelmingly bad when it's good 1 in 15 seeds, or whatever the ratio is.

What are we evaluating here? Blindly skipping anything before even knowing which tag one is gonna get? Sure, I would vote no in that poll, but why would I care about that? It doesn't help me make better decisions in the game since that situation never happens in the game. Reading you guys' comments, a beginner comes to the conclusion that "skipping is generally bad" as in "betting in slots is bad", so "I better never do it".

If you get a holographic tag or the one that gives $25 at the end of the boss I think you should probably do it, and if you get the double voucher tag or even the rare tag, you should probably not, depending on your objectives (just beating the game vs. achievement hunting, etc.)

imo context does decide everything, but as a general rule skipping is not worth giving up the shop visit, opportunity to scale jokers, money from hands and interest, etc.. If I were to give advice on what skips are worthwhile it'd be the $25/everything in the shop is free in the early game if you don't have your econ settled and a reroll skip if absolutely necessary.