Balatro

Balatro

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DarkestOnion Apr 9, 2024 @ 4:07pm
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20 Hours No Win - Bye Bye
Oh well, I tried for dozen of hours. You might want to allow people to win sometime before the 40 hour mark. But hey it is a Rouge Lite and I guess I can't face 10,000 failed hands before the RNG doesn't select a Blind that I cannot overcome with the RNG refusing to give me more than 2 pair non-face cards every time. Hope you all have better luck with this title as I uninstall it.
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Draco18s Apr 10, 2024 @ 10:15am 
Originally posted by DarkestOnion:
A few days ago I got to Ante 6 through multi-multing Joker combos...until I hit a Blind that needed something like 45K...and I could not draw a flush, a straight, or anything more than low two-pairs despite careful use of discards, tarot cards, spectral cards, and special card alterations.

Ok, so first off. Don't rely on straights, pretty much at all. They're one of the weakest build paths in this game. Honestly, even Flush isn't that good either. It can be, with the right jokers and tarot, but it doesn't scale well (that said, its generally sufficient for white stakes, as its easy to build for, but you can get unexpectedly blocked by some of the boss blinds).

(Also as you are a smart maths guy: remember that altering your deck is going to throw off your poker-purist intuition about what's still in your deck: hover over it to make sure that you actually still have two Jacks left, you might've forgotten that you turned one of them into a Queen).

Two-Pair, Three-Kind, and Full House are much much more reliable, especially in white stakes. Half-Joker is amazing if used right (you can really drive pair and three-kind hands reliably). Also look for Square Joker, Fancy Pants, Castle, Hack, and Raised Fist.

I don't recall the unlock conditions for most of those, so whether or not you even have them available is another question.

Another thing to keep in mind is that you can rearrange the cards in your hand and your jokers so they go off in an advantageous order: got a Smiley Face playing a two pair of Kings and Aces, and one of the aces is Glass? Move it to the end position. You'll get +18 mult that way (2 base +4, +4, all times 2) instead of +10 (2 base times 2, +4, +4).

Oh and a 45k blind goal? That's peanuts. Like, actual peanuts. The base blind value on ante 8 is 50k, which means the Small Blind. Big Blind is going to be double that and is the "expected" value of the Boss Blind (but with a debuff modifier), though there is a boss effect which doubles that again, and the bosses on ante 8 are tougher than typical bosses (so The Wall, which is a 4X base boss has the comparative Violet Vessel which is 6X).

By... green stakes you'll start seeing score thresholds of 50k by ante 6, and at purple, ante 5. There's an achievement for scoring 1,000,000 chips in a single hand and a joker that unlocks for scoring 100,000,000 chips in a single hand.

You might appreciate this: https://efhiii.github.io/balatro-calculator/
Last edited by Draco18s; Apr 10, 2024 @ 10:22am
Morlock Apr 10, 2024 @ 10:45am 
Skill Issue. How you actively avoid a win for 20 hours is beyond me. A monkey with a typewriter would beat you to it no doubt.
german8r1 Apr 10, 2024 @ 11:46am 
Here is something I do early for a little boost. Take any "plus" joker and this will get you through the first two antes. Then, save your money to gain interest and thus the ability to buy a lot of packs. Skip blinds that will give you bonus jokers, esp. polychrome. Once you have a multiply joker after a plus joker, things get much easier. Also, focus on one hand for your planet cards. I've found two pair can get you pretty far, and is somewhat RNG proof. If you get the half joker, go for pair upgrade instead. Also, make sure your multi jokers come last in order for maximum impact. The same is true for cards. After you are familiar with the synergies, you will find some really stupid awesome combos. I am not a great player, but I just hit the million in one hand achievement with a bonus queen/glass queen pair with pair only at level 7. I had five jokers, one being Legendary. Don't give up on the game. You are close to an "AHA" moment.
DarkestOnion Apr 10, 2024 @ 1:31pm 
I am going to stick with it. I am going to watch some videos to learn what I do not seem to understand. To the haters - get bent.
kaibarnard Apr 10, 2024 @ 2:01pm 
Originally posted by DarkestOnion:
I am going to stick with it. I am going to watch some videos to learn what I do not seem to understand. To the haters - get bent.

Northerlion is a bit chill and he mostly plays for fun, but he's not bad

Balatro University explains things in depth

General tips

1 - A chip joke, A multi joke and an Xmult joker are all wanted, you can avoid the chip joker some games

2 - Sometimes lower hands boosted by jokers/planets is better then a better hand, you can easily end up wtih 2 pair being greater

3 - Scaling is amazing, if you can scale a joker it can carry you, had wee man giving me over 1k chips, I once fattened up an egg and a ceremonial dagger

4 - Constancy - hanged man, death, you'll love this tarots, more of what you want less of what you don't

Good luck, may the odds ever be in your favour
Lienhart Apr 10, 2024 @ 2:50pm 
Why the ♥♥♥♥ would you make a post saying you are bad.

Where is your pride? Your dignity? Your ambition?
games23 Apr 10, 2024 @ 2:57pm 
Originally posted by Lienhart:
Why the ♥♥♥♥ would you make a post saying you are bad.

Where is your pride? Your dignity? Your ambition?

so you just lie?
malogoss Apr 10, 2024 @ 2:59pm 
Originally posted by kaibarnard:
Northerlion is a bit chill and he mostly plays for fun, but he's not bad

He can be a fun streamer to watch, but he plays Balatro horribly bad.

Can still be valuable if you want to see how to not play.
CNight Apr 10, 2024 @ 3:01pm 
Def this game has a learning curve (and poker in general). i won my 1st run at around 17h mark :lunar2020confidentrooster: , second win with different deck like few games later. So it's managable, use planet cards, adjust gameplay for acquired jokers, see what cards are left in deck (to increase probability what can be drawn), but yeah lots of rng. Fun game.
Lienhart Apr 10, 2024 @ 3:34pm 
Originally posted by malogoss:
Blew a fuse over someone else not being the best at a game. :balatro_death: Maybe try to spread the use of that mighty brain of yours to forums' interaction?

Try reading comprehension =)

It's okay to suck. It's not okay to flaunt it. We were all newbies at one point (in everything.)
Last edited by Lienhart; Apr 10, 2024 @ 3:34pm
Aw3som3-117 Apr 10, 2024 @ 3:43pm 
Originally posted by DarkestOnion:
Thanks for the tip and also the rudeness of 'skill issue'. I have a science and math degree and was once a Pro Tour Poker player of little fame. I assure you I can figure card odds and make the choices most probable to result in a good outcome. My issue arrives when Balatro drops a Boss Blind that renders my careful plan into garbage. Let em show you what I experienced...

A few days ago I got to Ante 6 through multi-multing Joker combos...until I hit a Blind that needed something like 45K...and I could not draw a flush, a straight, or anything more than low two-pairs despite careful use of discards, tarot cards, spectral cards, and special card alterations. The problem is not in my ability or my choices - it lies in the fact that some Blinds seem too hard for me and they arrive...randomly.

I apologize if i sound like some kind of idiot to folks who read a guide and copy play from online and claim skill at Balatro. I am just frustrated and love the game - I just need a win to keep playing with any hope- I need hope...not people telling me to 'git gud'

Okay, so we are talking about white stake then, yeah?
Cause if we're talking white stake, then I'm not gonna say "skill issue" cause that's not very useful, but what I will say is that if it takes 20+ hours for someone "with a math degree" (I'm not questioning that fact, just quoting for context) to beat a white stake run, then there's likely a few things they are fundamentally struggling to understand within the game, and I'd recommend you give it another chance, and, more to the point, some more thought.

The comment about getting low two pairs and that ruining a good run that got to ante 6 is suggesting to me that you likely haven't thought through the implications of your score being chips times mult and how that affects what jokers are good, both in the short run and in the long run. Playing "good" poker hands is very rarely necessary pretty much once you get your first good mult joker. Playing *specific* poker hands that you have leveled up, or that synergize well with your jokers, sure, but traditionally "better" hands really aren't that important after you have a consistent way to get chips, be it from planet cards or a joker, which you typically start working on after handling the more immediate mult problem that typically carries the early game by itself.

What matters is chips and mult. That's it. And I'm sure I don't have to tell you that doubling either doubles your total score, so increases are always going to be relative to whatever you would've had without the increase (outside of the mult multipliers, which are always equally good assuming you can trigger them after all +mults).

Also, don't skimp on money. If you're crushing rounds, consider saving up some money and accruing interest, or picking up a joker that's only good for getting you money during / after the round.

I guarantee you, if you understand math well enough to realize the implications of 2 numbers being multiplied together and the relative importance of each number, greed for $$$ when you can, and don't force yourself to be too reliant on a rare hand type, then a white stake run should be won within like 3 tries.
Last edited by Aw3som3-117; Apr 10, 2024 @ 3:46pm
Lienhart Apr 10, 2024 @ 3:54pm 
Originally posted by Aw3som3-117:
Originally posted by DarkestOnion:
Thanks for the tip and also the rudeness of 'skill issue'. I have a science and math degree and was once a Pro Tour Poker player of little fame. I assure you I can figure card odds and make the choices most probable to result in a good outcome. My issue arrives when Balatro drops a Boss Blind that renders my careful plan into garbage. Let em show you what I experienced...

A few days ago I got to Ante 6 through multi-multing Joker combos...until I hit a Blind that needed something like 45K...and I could not draw a flush, a straight, or anything more than low two-pairs despite careful use of discards, tarot cards, spectral cards, and special card alterations. The problem is not in my ability or my choices - it lies in the fact that some Blinds seem too hard for me and they arrive...randomly.

I apologize if i sound like some kind of idiot to folks who read a guide and copy play from online and claim skill at Balatro. I am just frustrated and love the game - I just need a win to keep playing with any hope- I need hope...not people telling me to 'git gud'

Okay, so we are talking about white stake then, yeah?
Cause if we're talking white stake, then I'm not gonna say "skill issue" cause that's not very useful, but what I will say is that if it takes 20+ hours for someone "with a math degree" (I'm not questioning that fact, just quoting for context) to beat a white stake run, then there's likely a few things they are fundamentally struggling to understand within the game, and I'd recommend you give it another chance, and, more to the point, some more thought.

White stake is base difficulty though :')

If the guy has both a math and science degree, his IQ should be around 120+. If PhD range, it should EASILY be above 140.

IQ is related to pattern recognition speeds. I am absolutely questioning the person you're quoting's statements because mine is 130+ (IBM IQ test, they only hire if you're 2 SD to the right of the curve), and every dev or friend I have is in the 120+ range without question due to how fast they can absorb information (and adapt their own understanding) without hand holding.

But will help anyway:

First thing you need to ask yourself in any game: how do I win?

Balatro is VERY straight forward: get a ♥♥♥♥ ton of points.

How do I get more points?

After a few rounds, it should be obvious the MULTIPLIER (red, not x red, or blue) has a significant "weight" to this.

How do I get more multiplier?

After a few more rounds, it should be apparent it's Jokers > Planets > Tarots.

From this point, you'll hit a wall where the above is not sufficient. Okay, how do I get more points again?

Pattern: X multiplier is very powerful, lets try that.

You will hit another wall, Jokers (there are exceptions) are generally multiplier focused and not blue (chips) focused. So how do I get more chips?

Planets/Tarots.

Rinse and repeat. As you keep going, the stakes (and decks) will force more critical thinking. I haven't touched the interest subject either, which you should've figured out somewhere above there because you can't buy ♥♥♥♥ otherwise =)
Last edited by Lienhart; Apr 10, 2024 @ 4:10pm
HereIsPlenty Apr 10, 2024 @ 3:56pm 
Can I point out that one of the unlocks is for beating a boss with a High Card hand?

As people have tried to impart, the scaling on your jokers is usually the key. Planets are great too.
malogoss Apr 10, 2024 @ 4:10pm 
Originally posted by Lienhart:
It's okay to suck. It's not okay to flaunt it. We were all newbies at one point (in everything.)

So any new player should not be allowed to say they're a new player in these forums.
Sounds reasonable. :steamthumbsup:
Last edited by malogoss; Apr 10, 2024 @ 4:10pm
Goblin Apr 10, 2024 @ 4:34pm 
Originally posted by malogoss:
Originally posted by Lienhart:
It's okay to suck. It's not okay to flaunt it. We were all newbies at one point (in everything.)

So any new player should not be allowed to say they're a new player in these forums.
Sounds reasonable. :steamthumbsup:
He's not a new player though, he's played 20+ hours of the game.
That very much is a point where you can rule out bad luck when it comes to inability to beat white stake even once - you have to be misunderstanding a fundamental mechanic of the game. If you then say the game's too hard, or god forbid start flaunting your credentials as if they don't just make it more embarrassing that you're unable to figure out the funny haha clowns card game... yeah that's kind of a bad look.
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