please make Ceremonial Dagger sacrifice the card to the left instead of the right

[mae borowski (real)]

if i throw another run because i forgot to micromanage my joker positions every single round and i accidentally sacrifice another mult multiplier card like Cavendish i am going to dig a very deep hole and bury myself in it

[Rhonox]

i think its part of the cards balance since jokers happen from left to right. this would kind of change the card a pretty lot actually since right now you cant have it all the way to the right without it being able to gain more power. it would obviously be best all the way to the right most of the time

[Goblin]

Originally posted by Rhonox:

i think its part of the cards balance since jokers happen from left to right. this would kind of change the card a pretty lot actually since right now you cant have it all the way to the right without it being able to gain more power. it would obviously be best all the way to the right most of the time

Dagger destroys on blind selection, so very few jokers would be affected by this change - Marble Joker, Burglar etc. would activate before being sacrificed, but that's about it.
Right now you just place the dagger all the way to the right when selecting a blind if you don't want to sacrifice anything, then move it back left when you play hands so it can benefit from xmult. That's the micromanaging OP doesn't like. Making it trigger on the left joker would make it less bad, you'd still have to manually place it right of jokers to sacrifice them. But you could argue that having to think about how to use the joker optimally all the time is a skill expression, and the ability to make mistakes is interesting. I don't think I mind either option enough to have a preference personally.

You could also argue that shuffling the joker around all the time is an exploit, but if LocalThunk felt that way he could just make it trigger on a played hand as long as it hasn't triggered yet this round. Make it shake until triggered, the same way DNA and Trading Card do. That'd also fix OP's issue, the micromanagement would be useless, but I doubt most people would enjoy that change.

[srn347]

Reordering your jokers at different times for different effects is definitely an intended mechanic, not an exploit. There's even 2 jokers (blueprint and brainstorm) specifically designed around it.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by srn347:

Reordering your jokers at different times for different effects is definitely an intended mechanic, not an exploit. There's even 2 jokers (blueprint and brainstorm) specifically designed around it.

There's kind of a big difference between placing a joker somewhere so it performs a particular function, and placing it somewhere disabling the (potentially) intended downside of a joker. There's people that thought Madness still gaining xmult if it doesn't destroy anything was a bug, despite that very much being in the description and intended. But the only one who can really decide what is fully intentional and what's an oversight is the guy who designed it, not us, even if I expect it to be intentional in this case.

[srn347]

If localthunk didn't know you could place ceremonial dagger to the far right to disable the effect, he wouldn't have pinned it to the far left in the dagger challenge.

[:D?]

Originally posted by srn347:

If localthunk didn't know you could place ceremonial dagger to the far right to disable the effect, he wouldn't have pinned it to the far left in the dagger challenge.

No one is saying it's an unintended mechanic or that you shouldn't need to do it, who are you arguing against?

OP is just saying that since its a +mult it's always gonna be on the left and if they forget to move it before choosing a blind they'd prefer to have it be disabled rather than eat something they actually didn't want to give up

[Draco18s]

Originally posted by :D?:

OP is just saying that since its a +mult it's always gonna be on the left and if they forget to move it before choosing a blind they'd prefer to have it be disabled rather than eat something they actually didn't want to give up

And that's what we in the industry refer to as "a skill issue" or a "PEBKAC."

[Scrub]

lol, that's the entire balance mechanism of the card though

[phantom]

[quote=:D?;4364626348101204500No one is saying it's an unintended mechanic or that you shouldn't need to do it, who are you arguing against?

OP is just saying that since its a +mult it's always gonna be on the left and if they forget to move it before choosing a blind they'd prefer to have it be disabled rather than eat something they actually didn't want to give up [/quote]
So that is what this thread is about? I agree fair complaint.

Originally posted by Draco18s:

And that's what we in the industry refer to as "a skill issue" or a "PEBKAC."

Getting tired of keeping track of micromanagement is a pretty weak form of skill. Yes micromanaging matters for blueprint. thing is there is no convenient other way to actually make blueprint work how it is intended without micro. in fact. there is barely any cards whatsoever that require micro aside those two.

[mae borowski (real)]

Originally posted by srn347:

Reordering your jokers at different times for different effects is definitely an intended mechanic, not an exploit. There's even 2 jokers (blueprint and brainstorm) specifically designed around it.

yeah but theres a difference between having a sub-optimal hand and having my entire run torpedoed because i forgot to micro-manage something that really has no need to be micro-managed.
its always going to be to the left of the card you want sacrificed, then always to the far left. blueprint/brainstorm move all over depending on what situation you're in, like maybe u want to double Vagabond, or Marble Joker.
this is a binary situation - it's always going to be in particular spot before and during the round. there's no skill or brain expression with it, it's just something that you have to watch like a hawk for very little upside or reason, with massive consequences if you don't.

if Swashbuckler can get changed to remove its unnecessarily inconvenient positional requirements, then there's no reason Ceremonial Dagger shouldn't too.

[mae borowski (real)]

Originally posted by doc:

lol, that's the entire balance mechanism of the card though

yeah a card with a mid at best upside with the capability to completely destroy your run. im sure that was definitely a balance choice and not an oversight

[Godhand]

I like the idea of directional requirements sometimes (especially if that gives me more copy jokers like Brainstorm and Blueprint lol.) but I have to say the dagger is kinda crap. I've seen like two good uses of it and that was it.

[lordatog]

Better yet, let's just make the card stronger by increasing the multiplier, but make it so that if there's no card to the right, it eats the one to the left instead. It should also skip over eternal cards if necessary. Essentially, I think it should always eat a joker, and you shouldn't be able to prevent that by rearranging them. Micromanagement issues solved.

[Scrub]

Originally posted by mae borowski (real):

yeah a card with a mid at best upside with the capability to completely destroy your run. im sure that was definitely a balance choice and not an oversight

Yeah, I'm sure of that as well. It's very obvious when you look at the challenge that used this card specifically.

I'm glad you've learned and have come around on this topic, it's rare to see!

[Zelxios]

well there is a jokers that destroys the right instead so fish for that