I'm never gonna get past orange stake

[ROORnNUGZ]

Been trying to beat orange stake for the last two weeks. Finally just got a good start and got a bunch of steel kings with mime and baron. Then run into the plant in ante 6. GG

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3215661123

[Puddin Pops]

That one is very easy to beat if you have RNG on your side. Try these jokers and go for upgrading Flush hands and Straights (mostly Flush) with your planet cards: Four Fingers, Raised Fist, Rocket, Luchador, Ancient Joker, Mr. Bones, Smeared Joker, Blueprint, Brainstorm, Troubadour. Gotta use whats given to you sometimes cause sometimes you wont pull something no matter what but basically trying to double the Ancient Joker effect by using Blueprint or Brainstorm and getting Flushes and you can easily start bringing in a million chips every hand.
And also buy vouchers like Overstock, Wasteful, Director's Cut, Hieroglyph, Paint Brush.

[Joeynator3000]

Originally posted by ROORnNUGZ:

Originally posted by malogoss:

That's false, but if thinking that way makes you comfortable, keep living in that bubble.

explain how I'm wrong? Can only buy what gets put in the shop. Have no economy to reroll the shop. So have to go with what gets put in the shop. Would love to know what to do differently?

That's pretty much it...people act like it's all skill...you HAVE to rely on the shop or reset the game ten bajillion times. But even then the game can screw you over shortly after, or even towards the end.

[YoruHawk]

Originally posted by ROORnNUGZ:

Originally posted by malogoss:

That's false, but if thinking that way makes you comfortable, keep living in that bubble.

explain how I'm wrong? Can only buy what gets put in the shop. Have no economy to reroll the shop. So have to go with what gets put in the shop. Would love to know what to do differently?

I would say you guys are both right. It is not as cut and dry that you can not get the things you need but you also have some runs that are just bad rng. That is the nature of the game. You will never win every gold stake run. Your only goal is to increase your odds. Your general joker setup for winning is usually a chip generator, a flat mult generator, and the rest being mult multipliers. High card is easily the best had to win with because it has the most versatility, is the safest to play, and the easiest to build. The thing is you dont always win and when you do you arent always using the same build the entire run. I can list a plethora of jokers off of the top of my head that will help with winning high card builds. For chips Stuntman, banner, burnt joker, square joker, castle, hiker, blue joker, bull, and ice cream. For flat mult ride the bus, supernova, green joker, burnt joker, gros michel, half joker, mystic summit, misprint, popcorn, raised fist, and abstract. For xmult you have card sharp, cavendish, blackboard, ramen, baseball card,loyalty, acrobat, obelisk, hit the road, and campfire. Obviously jokers that give more hands like burgular. Also cards that copy like blueprint and brainstorm. Obviously not all of these cards are optimal but these are all cards you can win with. Some people dont even buy packs at all or skip blinds at all. You wont get these every run but that is a lot of jokers and there are probably more. It just takes time but you will get a good run in a reasonable amount of time once you know how to play the higher stakes.

[malogoss]

Originally posted by ROORnNUGZ:

Not really any choice on your build at the higher stakes. Just have to go with what the game will bless me with. Usually die in ante 2 or 3

Originally posted by ROORnNUGZ:

explain how I'm wrong? Can only buy what gets put in the shop. Have no economy to reroll the shop. So have to go with what gets put in the shop. Would love to know what to do differently?

You are wrong when saying the game forces you into a build. If the shop offers a joker that benefits 4 of a kind and you don't want to play that, then what? Do you still buy it? I hope not.

You are probably right that you are losing often at ante 2 or 3. I won't ask you to prove that.

Of course, at ante 1-2, you'll rarely have the option to be picky. First shop offers a mult, chip or econ joker, you buy it. If it offers Neptune and Temperance, start next blind.

But if you over invest in mult or chip, then you're out of money when an econ joker shows up and that's on you.

If you bought a Flush joker early on, you don't have to stick to Flush for the whole run. Saying "I have to go with what the shop offers" is true, you can't buy what's not there. But at the same time, it does not mean, quote, "Not really any choice on your build at the higher stakes"

Past ante 3 you should have settled on a build. At high stakes, forcing pairs or high card is often a very good option. You don't need anything special from the shop. Chips, +mult, xmult and you are set. You should have chips and +mult early on. xmult is necessary, but only later. With good econ, you reroll, you find some xmult joker and you are good.

Black is the toughest deck. I did beat orange stake in 2 hours of playtime with that deck.

So if you are stuck on orange with other decks for I don't know how long, then what is it? Have you been unlucky for the past 30 hours non stop, or could you simply play better?

Some climbed stakes much faster than I did. Were they just born luckier? No. They have more skill.

If you need inspiration, many streamers play gold stake runs and are pretty good at it. You could learn a thing or two there.

Get better, it will help you more than any amount of good luck.

[YoruHawk]

Originally posted by Joeynator3000:

Originally posted by ROORnNUGZ:

explain how I'm wrong? Can only buy what gets put in the shop. Have no economy to reroll the shop. So have to go with what gets put in the shop. Would love to know what to do differently?

That's pretty much it...people act like it's all skill...you HAVE to rely on the shop or reset the game ten bajillion times. But even then the game can screw you over shortly after, or even towards the end.

With all due respect you do not know how to play the game. In your first comment you were talking about not being able to win lower stakes runs I have seen people win 100 runs in a row. It is not luck it is skill. I have personally gone on a 25 win streak on lower stakes. it will click for you that you are doing something inherently wrong. I can not say what it is but there is something. Lower stakes are like 90 percent skill 10 percent luck. However, if you were talking about orange and gold stakes I would agree they are a bit to rng dependent but I would still say those are like 70 percent skill 30 percent luck at most. The best players can win low stakes almost every time. Those same players also have great win rates on orange and gold stakes. If you want help figuring out what you are doing wrong let me know. Also how many hours do you have?

[kaibarnard]

I think at orange and gold stakes even 70/30 is pushing it and thats high skill players, for average joes, even 50/ maybe pushing it more like 80/20

At low stakes, just going for a win, easy normally looking for 100mil right now so mostly losses or restarts

[Joeynator3000]

Not even going to read people replying to me...it's...♥♥♥♥♥♥♥....POKER...most of the game involves rng. I could have the best combo of jokers, only to NEVER get any planet cards I need, or draw the hands I need even after wasting all of my discards and hands to try and get the winning hand. I know how to play the game, I know how it works, it's....LUCK. And apparently I have the worst luck ever.

[YoruHawk]

Originally posted by Joeynator3000:

Not even going to read people replying to me...it's...♥♥♥♥♥♥♥....POKER...most of the game involves rng. I could have the best combo of jokers, only to NEVER get any planet cards I need, or draw the hands I need even after wasting all of my discards and hands to try and get the winning hand. I know how to play the game, I know how it works, it's....LUCK. And apparently I have the worst luck ever.

The fact that you mentioned planet cards being the make or break of your run shows you dont know how to play. With the best jokers you will win 99.99999 percent of the time. High card you dont need to discard so maybe stop playing hard to play hands like i said 80 times. I am trying to be nice but you are just bad at the game.

[YoruHawk]

Originally posted by YoruHawk:

Originally posted by Joeynator3000:

Not even going to read people replying to me...it's...♥♥♥♥♥♥♥....POKER...most of the game involves rng. I could have the best combo of jokers, only to NEVER get any planet cards I need, or draw the hands I need even after wasting all of my discards and hands to try and get the winning hand. I know how to play the game, I know how it works, it's....LUCK. And apparently I have the worst luck ever.

The fact that you mentioned planet cards being the make or break of your run shows you dont know how to play. With the best jokers you will win 99.99999 percent of the time. High card you dont need to discard so maybe stop playing hard to play hands like i said 80 times. I am trying to be nice but you are just bad at the game.

also obviously it has rng elements its a roguelike that is the whole point but not being able to consistently win lower stakes is just a skill issue.

[malogoss]

Originally posted by Joeynator3000:

Not even going to read people replying to me...it's...♥♥♥♥♥♥♥....POKER...most of the game involves rng. I could have the best combo of jokers, only to NEVER get any planet cards I need, or draw the hands I need even after wasting all of my discards and hands to try and get the winning hand. I know how to play the game, I know how it works, it's....LUCK. And apparently I have the worst luck ever.

Thinking you need to buy planets is a mistake.

Thinking you need to discard to draw a winning hand is a mistake.

For those reasons, thinking you know how to play the game is also a mistake.

[YoruHawk]

Originally posted by kaibarnard:

I think at orange and gold stakes even 70/30 is pushing it and thats high skill players, for average joes, even 50/ maybe pushing it more like 80/20

At low stakes, just going for a win, easy normally looking for 100mil right now so mostly losses or restarts

I am assuming I read this right but basically what im saying is you need to be a higher skill player to win more consistently. an average player has less skill than a good player so they will need more luck to win. I hope that makes sense

[YoruHawk]

Originally posted by malogoss:

Originally posted by Joeynator3000:

Not even going to read people replying to me...it's...♥♥♥♥♥♥♥....POKER...most of the game involves rng. I could have the best combo of jokers, only to NEVER get any planet cards I need, or draw the hands I need even after wasting all of my discards and hands to try and get the winning hand. I know how to play the game, I know how it works, it's....LUCK. And apparently I have the worst luck ever.

Thinking you need to buy planets is a mistake.

Thinking you need to discard to draw a winning hand is a mistake.

For those reasons, thinking you know how to play the game is also a mistake.

thank you I was fighting for my life in here haha I would love to know how many hours he has lol

[Joeynator3000]

Originally posted by YoruHawk:

Originally posted by Joeynator3000:

Not even going to read people replying to me...it's...♥♥♥♥♥♥♥....POKER...most of the game involves rng. I could have the best combo of jokers, only to NEVER get any planet cards I need, or draw the hands I need even after wasting all of my discards and hands to try and get the winning hand. I know how to play the game, I know how it works, it's....LUCK. And apparently I have the worst luck ever.

The fact that you mentioned planet cards being the make or break of your run shows you dont know how to play. With the best jokers you will win 99.99999 percent of the time. High card you dont need to discard so maybe stop playing hard to play hands like i said 80 times. I am trying to be nice but you are just bad at the game.

Can't exactly do high cards when the game doesn't give me the jokers needed for it. I've tried all kinds of strats, it's...random.

[KyrLu]

Originally posted by ROORnNUGZ:

Been trying to beat orange stake for the last two weeks. Finally just got a good start and got a bunch of steel kings with mime and baron. Then run into the plant in ante 6. GG

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3215661123

I wanted to try to play the seed a little like you do to figure out whether the plant was a hard stop for your build, but I was distracted by the mega buffoon pack on ante 2 with a Stuntman. Baseball Card and more uncommon jokers were my final build. It was safer to play that than Baron/Mime.

But, nevermind, there is an interesting question here. How to respond to the Plant with Baron/Mime ? It's hard, but sometimes doable. I think the build is overall very hard to put together without a way to generate tarot cards, and the solution lies in it : transform non-face cards into steel cards. It feels bad, you may not generate enough steel cards, but Mime with a lot of steel cards is already strong. If you feel that you are safe enough, you can do that preemptively too. It will make endless harder, but on high stake, it really shouldn't be a goal x)

[YoruHawk]

Originally posted by Joeynator3000:

Originally posted by YoruHawk:

The fact that you mentioned planet cards being the make or break of your run shows you dont know how to play. With the best jokers you will win 99.99999 percent of the time. High card you dont need to discard so maybe stop playing hard to play hands like i said 80 times. I am trying to be nice but you are just bad at the game.

Can't exactly do high cards when the game doesn't give me the jokers needed for it. I've tried all kinds of strats, it's...random.

play a match if you lose send me the seed and i will beat it. I am also not saying you have to play high card im just saying its the easiest. You are stuck on low stakes and saying it is the games fault not yours you either have 5 hours played or you dont know how to play. if you say it is all luck send me a seed and I will beat it. The cards are random but there is like 8 bajillion combinations you can win with you clearly dont know how to play because you said you would lose with the best possible jokers if you didnt get the planets you need. With even good joker you dont need planets to win. Planets are arguably the least useful thing in the game.