Manacle & Splash

[Barney76]

I just tried to search for this but apparently I'm the only one scratching their head as to WHAT Manacle actually does???? The card text says "Hand size -1", which to me suggests that other modifiers notwithstanding, the maximum number of cards played is limited to 4 instead of the usual 5.
But that wasn't the case in the game I just played and one other game I had recently. The only joker I had just now was Splash, which causes every played card to count in scoring. Is that the reason? Is Splash a hard counter to Manacle?

[Scrub]

Hand size means the number of cards in your hand, not the number of cards in a PLAYED hand.

[sab0t]

when i first started playing i thought this was how the Manacle worked, but ya it's -1 to the cards in your hand, not your played hand. it's the unfortunate byproduct of having the term "hand" having two potential meanings.

[Barney76]

Egads! That explains my confusion. Thanks.
Makes me wonder why people are so afraid of Manacle, though...having one fewer card in hand seems like a mild inconveniece compared to other boss blinds.

[sab0t]

Originally posted by Barney76:

Egads! That explains my confusion. Thanks.
Makes me wonder why people are so afraid of Manacle, though...having one fewer card in hand seems like a mild inconveniece compared to other boss blinds.

it makes playing 5 card hands more difficult, or builds that require lots of cards in hand to score. it can also be bad if you already have a reduced hand size from other sources like spectral cards. it usually only screws me over when i'm trying to play specialized 5 card hands like straight flush or the secret hands.

[Donathan Cheadledge]

Originally posted by Barney76:

Egads! That explains my confusion. Thanks.
Makes me wonder why people are so afraid of Manacle, though...having one fewer card in hand seems like a mild inconveniece compared to other boss blinds.

It's one of the easiest bosses unless your build is heavily reliant on 5 card hands - if it IS heavily reliant on 5 card hands he will make you do a big cry. But then again, every build has a boss that does that

[A bear]

It can also get bad if you are doing a high stakes run and have decided to take things that lower your hand size even more. Stacking hand size debuffs are painful.

[kingjoedirt]

Originally posted by sab0t:

when i first started playing i thought this was how the Manacle worked, but ya it's -1 to the cards in your hand, not your played hand. it's the unfortunate byproduct of having the term "hand" having two potential meanings.

In the game, hand size is only ever referred to as the number of cards in your hand. I'm not sure how consistent it is, but I think everywhere else that talks about "hand" uses some qualifier like played hand or scoring hand.

What confused me more is why I went from hand size 8 to hand size 4 when I encountered this boss. At first I thought maybe that boss applies that -1 hand size every time you play a hand, but it never went lower than 4 so idk. If it happens every time you play a hand I think it should say that. If not I hit my first bug and who knows what happened.

[kingjoedirt]

Originally posted by kingjoedirt:

Originally posted by sab0t:

when i first started playing i thought this was how the Manacle worked, but ya it's -1 to the cards in your hand, not your played hand. it's the unfortunate byproduct of having the term "hand" having two potential meanings.

In the game, hand size is only ever referred to as the number of cards in your hand. I'm not sure how consistent it is, but I think everywhere else that talks about "hand" uses some qualifier like played hand or scoring hand.

What confused me more is why I went from hand size 8 to hand size 4 when I encountered this boss. At first I thought maybe that boss applies that -1 hand size every time you play a hand, but it never went lower than 4 so idk. If it happens every time you play a hand I think it should say that. If not I hit my first bug and who knows what happened.

Edit: Nevermind I was on the reduced hand size per 5 dollars you have challenge and must have hit a bunch of lucky cards. Whoops.