Worst Joker?

[mic mike]

I asked about the worst decks a while back, but i feel like theres more to choose here.

Worst to play, least fun, difficult to use, anything.

[brickey.8]

Originally posted by dmeister:

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the O.G. of all Jokers, literally called just Joker that is the very first Joker you see in the tutorial, which is simply +4 Multiplier. I mean, sure, +4 Multiplier is better than literally nothing at all in that slot, but not by much. I'd replace it with practically anything else if I had a choice.

It's weak compared to most other unconditional score jokers, but at least it's also cheaper than most jokers--if you buy it and then sell it I think you're only down $1. If you buy it in the first or second shop it'll end rounds fast enough to more than pay for itself. So it at least has a use case, unlike the real stinkers.

As for superposition, I agree with the general sentiment that it's terrible, but I will point out that there's one way to use it reliably: If you have 4-fingered hand you can just toss an ace into any straight. Shortcut also makes it slightly less difficult to use aces. Even with one of those it's still worse than blank card or the poorhouse joker.

[c0hKaine]

Originally posted by brickey.8:

Originally posted by dmeister:

As for superposition, I agree with the general sentiment that it's terrible, but I will point out that there's one way to use it reliably: If you have 4-fingered hand you can just toss an ace into any straight. Shortcut also makes it slightly less difficult to use aces. Even with one of those it's still worse than blank card or the poorhouse joker.

is Ace considered rank adjacent to any other card? i think you need shortcut, superposition, and fourfingered maybe with tarot joker. interesting engine but it sounds slow/weak.

[BiteSizeCenter]

The default joker is basically $1 for +4mult. Definitely worth grabbing if you see it in the first or second shop. Obviously it becomes useless past like ante 3, but it's far from the worst.

[lordatog]

Mr Bones. It is effectively a 4x multiplier, which is good, but if you actually ever need it, it destroys itself and you get less money for the round. This and Loyalty Card are the only two jokers that I don't think I would ever normally use. If I did get one of them, though, say from a Judgement card, or if a negative copy shows up and I have the spare cash, then i would prefer to have Loyalty Card.

[Nothing]

Originally posted by lordatog:

Mr Bones. It is effectively a 4x multiplier, which is good, but if you actually ever need it, it destroys itself and you get less money for the round. This and Loyalty Card are the only two jokers that I don't think I would ever normally use. If I did get one of them, though, say from a Judgement card, or if a negative copy shows up and I have the spare cash, then i would prefer to have Loyalty Card.

Mr. bones is amazing for winning runs on higher stakes when your build can get through everything up to the final boss but don't have the build to get through it

[kaibarnard]

Originally posted by dmeister:

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the O.G. of all Jokers, literally called just Joker that is the very first Joker you see in the tutorial, which is simply +4 Multiplier. I mean, sure, +4 Multiplier is better than literally nothing at all in that slot, but not by much. I'd replace it with practically anything else if I had a choice.

Mults still mult and ol' Jimbo there has got me out of a bad ante 1 or 2 and been worth the dollar or 2 I spent, best joker no, worst joker also no

In shop 1 or 2, he's alright to see - better then say a Tribe, or Seance or Superposition by far

[brickey.8]

Originally posted by c0hKaine:

Originally posted by brickey.8:

is Ace considered rank adjacent to any other card? i think you need shortcut, superposition, and fourfingered maybe with tarot joker. interesting engine but it sounds slow/weak.

Ace is considered adjacent to both King and 2. So A-K-Q-J-10 and 5-4-3-2-A are both valid straights. But you can't do, say, 3-2-A-K-Q, so it's still much harder to purposefully use Ace in a straight than any other rank.

[BiteSizeCenter]

Special shout out to Flower Pot. Maybe not the worst joker, 3xmult is pretty nice. But it's such a pain in the ass to play around. Pretty much an always skip for me, the only runs I've taken it on I've lost because I failed to activate it. Much better sources of xmult out there imo.

[Zaga]

Originally posted by BiteSizeCenter:

Special shout out to Flower Pot. Maybe not the worst joker, 3xmult is pretty nice. But it's such a pain in the ass to play around. Pretty much an always skip for me, the only runs I've taken it on I've lost because I failed to activate it. Much better sources of xmult out there imo.

I wish the lovers tarot card was buffed to 2 cards, that could make a flower pot build actually viable, since most of the times you rather use suit changers, +mult, glass, lucky, I have never tried to make a wild deck. Also if wild could be stack ontop of other effects it would also help

[brickey.8]

You're not really supposed to make a "wild deck", you just toss it onto individual cards when available to either help a flush/straight flush deck score more often or to make them trigger any suit-based jokers.

[۩THE_Incinerate ۩]

forget about worst joker, the game got an achievement that require you to beat every stake with every available joker.... it don't take a genius to realized that some jokers are just not viable after some point. not to mention how long it actually will take you to have combo that make bad jokers work and RNG will effect you badly at that point. (I praise this game for not relying on RNG that much but trying to do that achievement is RNG, maybe out right not even possible and if it possible, how many hours realistically will take you to do it ?. i say an unreasonable amount and for the wrong reasons)

[kaibarnard]

Originally posted by ۩THE_Incinerate ۩:

forget about worst joker, the game got an achievement that require you to beat every stake with every available joker.... )

Well gold stake, you dont need to get each stamp on each joker, just a gold one

[Python Trench-coat]

Originally posted by SirLagsalot:

Joker Stencil or Credit Card maybe

Def not stencil if you dupe it you win the run automatically.

[Python Trench-coat]

Red card. $8 for +3 mult and 3$+ for each additional +3 mult with a max of +6 in a shop. Its insanely expensive to scale and you’d be skipping temperance, hermit, and deck manipulation which are all huge deals in their own right.

[srn347]

Red card is actually pretty good scoring, +6 mult per round is more than most scaling jokers can get without burglar. Also you can choose to NOT skip and just get +3 mult if you see a hermit or something.