Joker activation sequence is wrong?

[Lustre]

I have a Red Card and a Baron joker in my line up, and the Red Card should be activating first, giving me the mult, and then the Baron should be activating. But for some reason, the Baron is multiplying the mult first before Red Card give me the mult? Why is this? I thought the jokers are supposed to activate in order from left to right.

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Is Baron the kings in hand give xmult joker? If so, those cards activate when the held hand is checked for in hand abilities, those abilities aren't part of the joker check.

Edit because I wrote the wrong thing

[Lustre]

Originally posted by i - V7 - bVImaj7 - V7b9 | V7:

Is Baron the kings in hand give xmult joker? If so, those cards activate when the held hand is checked for in hand abilities, those abilities aren't part of the joker check.

Edit because I wrote the wrong thing

I guess that's not very clear that it's then a card ability, not a joker ability. It doesn't say the Kings gain that ability, just that they apply the mult when in hand, which to me sounds like a joker activation.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by Lustre:

Originally posted by i - V7 - bVImaj7 - V7b9 | V7:

Is Baron the kings in hand give xmult joker? If so, those cards activate when the held hand is checked for in hand abilities, those abilities aren't part of the joker check.

Edit because I wrote the wrong thing

I guess that's not very clear that it's then a card ability, not a joker ability. It doesn't say the Kings gain that ability, just that they apply the mult when in hand, which to me sounds like a joker activation.

It says "each king held in hand gives", not "gives for each king held in hand". All held in hand abilities activate in sequence, after the cards played are counted and before the jokers are counted. Full sequence is:
-Arm boss activates, some bosses like debuffs are always active
-you play a hand, it has a set chips and mult score
-other boss effects activate (Hook, Tooth)
-cards you played count from left to right, adding chips and possibly activating jokers like Fibbonaci (those jokers activate from left to right too)
-held in hand effects activate from left to right, including steel cards and specific joker effects like Baron
-jokers that happen in the joker phase activate from left to right

[Lustre]

Originally posted by Goblin:

It says "each king held in hand gives", not "gives for each king held in hand". All held in hand abilities activate in sequence, after the cards played are counted and before the jokers are counted. Full sequence is:
-Arm boss activates, some bosses like debuffs are always active
-you play a hand, it has a set chips and mult score
-other boss effects activate (Hook, Tooth)
-cards you played count from left to right, adding chips and possibly activating jokers like Fibbonaci (those jokers activate from left to right too)
-held in hand effects activate from left to right, including steel cards and specific joker effects like Baron
-jokers that happen in the joker phase activate from left to right

I just don't like the wording and the fact that it's not working how I thought it'd work. I'd rather it specify that the kings gain the ability instead of how it's worded now, since it makes me think that effect activates during jokers, not hand.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by Lustre:

I just don't like the wording and the fact that it's not working how I thought it'd work. I'd rather it specify that the kings gain the ability instead of how it's worded now

But it does specify that. "Each king held in hand gives". How else would you want it to say it's the kings doing it?

The only issue is that the game never teaches you about the held in hand abilities and their place in the order, but adding that to the tutorial would probably overload people. Already plenty people who miss things it tells you.

[Lustre]

Originally posted by Goblin:

But it does specify that. "Each king held in hand gives". How else would you want it to say it's the kings doing it?

The only issue is that the game never teaches you about the held in hand abilities and their place in the order, but adding that to the tutorial would probably overload people. Already plenty people who miss things it tells you.

It's fine if you disagree with whether or not it's worded the right way. I don't believe it is. I don't think it is clear enough. I am not happy with it. I'd prefer it worded better.

[Pingoso]

Cards held in hand are triggered before Jokers, wich is why Jokers like Mime and Raised Fist trigger before all others regardless of position.