Huge balance issues destroy the fun of the game and deck building

[Pontus]

This game has a big balance issues. Too much rng. The strat is basically flush/full house, and the other combinations are not viable AT ALL.

If you have not pulled a decent joker at the start, the game is lost, so the game becomes basically a replay button all over again and again.

The more time i play this the less i like the game

Edit 03.10.24: Flush is better than most of the combinations, but not the only one viable. The game is extremely unbalanced still, if you have not got a good joker by round 5-6, it is over. This game depends too much on RNG, and much less on the good game design.

[エリスの胸はパッド入]

Originally posted by Nuggies:

Originally posted by хто я:

Because "it is fun" i guess.

But I think the people that say it's fun to make something other than that just have too much free time. It is extremely difficult to build something working and high-paying other than flushes. It just isn't worth it. Unless you want spend hours pressing a replay button lol

Three of a kind clear and it didn't take me "hours" https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3165957634

Sounds like a skill issue more than anything else to me.

Dude has best hand at 100k and says skill issue lmao. At this point my hand was million, with guess what, flushes.

Hell, mine was higher on my first ryn after tutorial when i didnt know what i was doing and with close to no unlocks
https://i.imgur.com/t9DIYAr.jpg

[BeautifulFlowerField]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Originally posted by BeautifulFlowerField:

it can be fixed. the reason flush is so op is that it's easy to enable - there are four common jokers that give you big base mults for one suit and immediately beg you to build flush. that could be nerfed to plus 3 or make them uncommon plus fives and the upgraded versions that you unlock later into rares. make a new common joker that's a nerfed shortcut where you can gap a straight but only with 1 gap instead of however many. buff the other hands by modifying the already existing jokers or adding new ones for three of a kinds, two pair, pair, high card, and other strategies like face cards, low cards, or variant hand types. add more blinds that counter builds.

Ah, forgot to list those +4 per suit jokers to my list above - you could argue they're flush aligned too. Issue is, they're only +20 Mult for a flush. That's strong early game, but crummy late game.
Ideal lategame 5 joker setup is generally one +Mult, one +Chips, two xMult and one utility joker. Before that you'd want some economy joker which you'd sell to get your second xMult joker, or a +Chips one if you somehow got two xMults before finding a decend one of those. Utility joker can be left out with some decks or if you modified your deck enough to not need one, and negative jokers are pretty much no brainers you always take if you have the money.
So if you have one +Mult joker, 20 is bad compared to most scaling ones, Fibbonaci, and on par with Even Steven. It's better than all "+Mult if contains" jokers except 4-kind, but all of those are what I consider early game mult sources to be sold for something better unless you can't get a second xMult. Maybe I'd keep the suit+mult joker if I had hack as utility and a lot of the 2-5 cards in that suit, but that's a big if.

my point isn't that they're strong, it's that because you have 4 of them at common players get easily pulled into trying to force a flush build because you usually see one or more of those early. i'm only talking about what changes could encourage players to try stuff other than flushing and not the general balance.

[anonymous316]

I managed to get to the 7th ante by using pairs/three/four of a kind. Lost against flint though

[BeautifulFlowerField]

Originally posted by エリスの胸はパッド入:

Originally posted by Nuggies:

Three of a kind clear and it didn't take me "hours" https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3165957634

Sounds like a skill issue more than anything else to me.

Dude has best hand at 100k and says skill issue lmao. At this point my hand was million, with guess what, flushes.

Hell, mine was higher on my first ryn after tutorial when i didnt know what i was doing and with close to no unlocks
https://i.imgur.com/t9DIYAr.jpg

Originally posted by エリスの胸はパッド入:

Originally posted by Nuggies:

Three of a kind clear and it didn't take me "hours" https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3165957634

Sounds like a skill issue more than anything else to me.

Dude has best hand at 100k and says skill issue lmao. At this point my hand was million, with guess what, flushes.

Hell, mine was higher on my first ryn after tutorial when i didnt know what i was doing and with close to no unlocks
https://i.imgur.com/t9DIYAr.jpg

he's saying that you can win a run with three of a kind, not that it's better than flushes.

[herbstwerk]

Originally posted by エリスの胸はパッド入:

Originally posted by Nuggies:

Three of a kind clear and it didn't take me "hours" https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3165957634

Sounds like a skill issue more than anything else to me.

Dude has best hand at 100k and says skill issue lmao. At this point my hand was million, with guess what, flushes.

Hell, mine was higher on my first ryn after tutorial when i didnt know what i was doing and with close to no unlocks
https://i.imgur.com/t9DIYAr.jpg

You say your hand was a million, yet your screenshot shows 181,794 as the best hand played...

[Eminan]

Originally posted by хто я:

Originally posted by Nuggies:

Three of a kind clear and it didn't take me "hours" https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3165957634

Sounds like a skill issue more than anything else to me.

Oh, so you are going in the skill issue direction? This is such a bad take tbh.

My last game was two pairs win. Does it nullify my previous statements? I don't think so. The game is UNBALANCED. It is easier to beat it with flushes. The game has too much RNG.

Yeah, you can beat it times in a row, but then the random will only give you +4 joker, or +4 per type joker. So what?

Don't ever pull "skill issue" card in a conversation man, don't do it please, if you have no intention to embarrass yourself in a healthy conversation and lead it to direct insulting

Aren’t tons of games like that? In Souls games it’s easier to go for a large range magic build. In Pokemon is easier to beat the game with specific pokemon. In Devil May Cry is easier to spam “stinger” with Dante to defeat most enemies…. (You found this in almost any game).
Sure if all paths had the same % of success would be cool. But it doesn’t make games bad.
You can actually beat the game with a ton of different set ups. The fact that 1 is easier shouldn’t ruin the game. But hey it would be cool for the dev to see this at least. Maybe he can cook something up. But of he drops a huge nerf to flushes I don’t want to see people screaming later xP.

[Panthaz89]

If anything flushes and wildcards are terrible because of boss abilities especially wild cards who get cancelled out because they count as everything on any suit cancelling boss. You can always get a lot of value out of simply removing lows and adding aces or a card that you have a big joker multiplier for.

Sure you can commit to suit after you already faced that boss but before that you risk losing everything easily to that type of boss.

[Realignment]

Well this is just the Vampire Survivors Garlic conversation all over again isn't it

[Lucky_Star_Fan]

The game does seem to rely on finding a scaling joker or two early then feeding them. Perhaps if later ante shops were more likely to have rare/legendary jokers with powerful stand alone effects this would even the balance a bit. Some even larger card/arcanum/tarot packs with 3 or more choices at higher rounds and rarities could help too.

[BeautifulFlowerField]

Originally posted by Panthaz89:

If anything flushes and wildcards are terrible because of boss abilities especially wild cards who get cancelled out because they count as everything on any suit cancelling boss. You can always get a lot of value out of simply removing lows and adding aces or a card that you have a big joker multiplier for.

Sure you can commit to suit after you already faced that boss but before that you risk losing everything easily to that type of boss.

you don't have to build flushes around a single suit. you can aim for two or if you have four fingers just cutting one suit is good enough.

[Coffee]

Some smaller hands should clearly pay more too without planets.not to the point to invalidate other hands but playing a pair or two could pay more a bit considering you use a play hand

[Toastman]

Git Gud, nubcake.

[Misguided]

Originally posted by Realignment:

Well this is just the Vampire Survivors Garlic conversation all over again isn't it

I like garlic on pizza…with pineapple.

[ActionBastard]

skill issue

[Martin Tm.]

I do not know, but all the times I've reached stage 8 boss, my hands were awful af.
Till it, all stages were almost done at first hand, but then, ♥♥♥♥ cards.