Huge balance issues destroy the fun of the game and deck building

[Pontus]

This game has a big balance issues. Too much rng. The strat is basically flush/full house, and the other combinations are not viable AT ALL.

If you have not pulled a decent joker at the start, the game is lost, so the game becomes basically a replay button all over again and again.

The more time i play this the less i like the game

Edit 03.10.24: Flush is better than most of the combinations, but not the only one viable. The game is extremely unbalanced still, if you have not got a good joker by round 5-6, it is over. This game depends too much on RNG, and much less on the good game design.

[sab0t]

this hasn't been my experience at all.

it has the RNG of any other game that uses a deck of cards, and then you get to literally stack the deck in your favour.

[TimeSpiralNemesis]

Right now my only issue Is I keep having a good run but then getting crushed by a boss blind that just invalidates the deck.

For example if you build into turning all of your deck into one suit to chase flush and then the boss blind is that hearts don't score you have a zero% chance of beating it.

My most recent one the boss was "Only play one hand"

But I know this is how a lot of roguelites start where stuff you think is impossible becomes trivial down the line with experience.

[Pontus]

IDK my feel is that game literally forces you to choose the flush strategy. Pairs, three of a kind are not viable AT ALL because of the low scores, four of the kind are extremely rare except you get a spectrum card.

This is just sad, with a concept of literally thousands of combinations my only instinct is to choose only the one of them. And as i see on this forum i am not alone feeling that way

[sab0t]

I think flushes are probably the most flexible type of specialization but idk I haven't felt like I'm FORCED at all. I beat a run yesterday that literally had no specialization and focused on making lots of money, which allowed me to buy lots of planet cards and level up every hand and add tons of enhanced cards.
idk i guess my only advice is to just try something different although i know that's not great advice lol

[Pontus]

The game developers goal is to balance all the choices the game has to make them all viable and fun at the same time. The only viable strat in Balatro is flushes. The other choices of combinations are either extremely hard to build due to horrendous store RNG or extremely hard to stack due to horrendous hand RNG.

I would like to play other combinations, but why? So I can spend 5x more time losing to finally create something that can beat the game, and then losing again and again and not progressing?

[Raijix]

Originally posted by хто я:

IDK my feel is that game literally forces you to choose the flush strategy. Pairs, three of a kind are not viable AT ALL because of the low scores, four of the kind are extremely rare except you get a spectrum card.

This is just sad, with a concept of literally thousands of combinations my only instinct is to choose only the one of them. And as i see on this forum i am not alone feeling that way

I disagree, just had a successful pair run that was relatively free.

The main issue is that flush and straight are popular because it is easy to make them work without needing specific jokers while the rest just require some setup. Once you unlock more jokers and decks your options increase exponentially, just in my last run I unlocked a x3 three of a kind joker.

[エリスの胸はパッド入]

Why would i go for specific, hard to get setup that can waste 30 minutes of my life and fail when i can go for sure flush strategy that works almost all the time?

[Pontus]

Originally posted by エリスの胸はパッド入:

Why would i go for specific, hard to get setup that can waste 30 minutes of my life and fail when i can go for sure flush strategy that works almost all the time?

Because "it is fun" i guess.

But I think the people that say it's fun to make something other than that just have too much free time. It is extremely difficult to build something working and high-paying other than flushes. It just isn't worth it. Unless you want spend hours pressing a replay button lol

[ima]

Originally posted by хто я:

The only viable strat in Balatro is flushes. The other choices of combinations are either extremely hard to build due to horrendous store RNG or extremely hard to stack due to horrendous hand RNG.

That's factually false. Flushes are easier to get into because there are 4 tarots cards that are mostly usefull for flushes while the 18 others have more brand use so depending on your first couple of tarot packs you'll be incentivized to go flushes, but in the reality of the game most others plans works and are doable, you just have to think a bit harder and more outside of the box. I've beat harder than base stakes with pairs/double pair/high card builds, I've beat a LOT of them with unspecific combination build (yes you can have a build where you don't rely on planets) etc.

Flushes are relative easy and straightforward to get into, and barring some unluck with boss blinds it should be enough to finish a run. So at the earliers days of the game of course it's gonna be the dominant strategy, players are still just discovering it.

Give it some time, and try new things, you'll be happily surprised.

[Pontus]

Originally posted by ima:

Originally posted by хто я:

The only viable strat in Balatro is flushes. The other choices of combinations are either extremely hard to build due to horrendous store RNG or extremely hard to stack due to horrendous hand RNG.

That's factually false. Flushes are easier to get into because there are 4 tarots cards that are mostly usefull for flushes while the 18 others have more brand use so depending on your first couple of tarot packs you'll be incentivized to go flushes, but in the reality of the game most others plans works and are doable, you just have to think a bit harder and more outside of the box. I've beat harder than base stakes with pairs/double pair/high card builds, I've beat a LOT of them with unspecific combination build (yes you can have a build where you don't rely on planets) etc.

Flushes are relative easy and straightforward to get into, and barring some unluck with boss blinds it should be enough to finish a run. So at the earliers days of the game of course it's gonna be the dominant strategy, players are still just discovering it.

Give it some time, and try new things, you'll be happily surprised.

OK, I will anyway try. I will return to the thread some day

[Raijix]

Originally posted by хто я:

Originally posted by エリスの胸はパッド入:

Why would i go for specific, hard to get setup that can waste 30 minutes of my life and fail when i can go for sure flush strategy that works almost all the time?

Because "it is fun" i guess.

But I think the people that say it's fun to make something other than that just have too much free time. It is extremely difficult to build something working and high-paying other than flushes. It just isn't worth it. Unless you want spend hours pressing a replay button lol

Three of a kind clear and it didn't take me "hours" https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3165957634

Sounds like a skill issue more than anything else to me.

[SandTag]

Originally posted by хто я:

This game has a big balance issues. Too much rng. The strat is basically flush/full house, and the other combinations are not viable AT ALL.

If you have not pulled a decent joker at the start, the game is lost, so the game becomes basically a replay button all over again and again.

The more time i play this the less i like the game

Yeah the debuff effect is far too strong, random chance to get forced loss is trash

[Pontus]

Originally posted by Nuggies:

Originally posted by хто я:

Because "it is fun" i guess.

But I think the people that say it's fun to make something other than that just have too much free time. It is extremely difficult to build something working and high-paying other than flushes. It just isn't worth it. Unless you want spend hours pressing a replay button lol

Three of a kind clear and it didn't take me "hours" https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3165957634

Sounds like a skill issue more than anything else to me.

Oh, so you are going in the skill issue direction? This is such a bad take tbh.

My last game was two pairs win. Does it nullify my previous statements? I don't think so. The game is UNBALANCED. It is easier to beat it with flushes. The game has too much RNG.

Yeah, you can beat it times in a row, but then the random will only give you +4 joker, or +4 per type joker. So what?

Don't ever pull "skill issue" card in a conversation man, don't do it please, if you have no intention to embarrass yourself in a healthy conversation and lead it to direct insulting

[Melodia]

Originally posted by хто я:

IDK my feel is that game literally forces you to choose the flush strategy. Pairs, three of a kind are not viable AT ALL because of the low scores, four of the kind are extremely rare except you get a spectrum card.

It took me almost seven hours to have a winning run, and that run I was relying heavily on Two Pair as my main source. It really comes down to what you get early.

[Landfar]

Justed wanted to add to the discussion my five cents: my best run so far was based on two pairs.