Matador doesn't work on 'The Tooth' blind

[butterdog]

As a reminder the Matador joker says "Earn $8 if played hand triggers the Boss Blind ability".
"The Tooth" boss blind says "Lose $1 per card played".

Either it's a bug/oversight, or this should act as a warning to players.
You will NOT receive $8 for every hand* played, learned this the hard way by selling a good joker for the Matador...

I suppose this is for when there's a boss blind that says you must play 5 cards, for example, and you instead play less than 5. Normally none of your cards are counted towards the round score and this joker is probably to take away some of the pain.

[Kitsunin]

You receive $8 for each hand though, right? "If played hand triggers" means "Did hand trigger ability 1 or more times? If so $8 if not $0"

It doesn't say "Earn $8 each time played hand triggers the Boss Blind ability".

Matador is good for lots of boss blinds, but specifically NOT the one that makes you play 5 IMO. Matador gives $8 every hand vs. the one that devalues your hands for instance. It gives $8 for each hand in which you include a Debuffed suit, etc....

[butterdog]

I had a bit of difficulty parsing your comment, tbh.
I'll just say that when I played a hand against the Tooth blind, and each card cost me $1, the Matador wasn't triggered once.

[Goblin]

Автор сообщения: butterdog

I had a bit of difficulty parsing your comment, tbh.
I'll just say that when I played a hand against the Tooth blind, and each card cost me $1, the Matador wasn't triggered once.

I can rephrase it a little:

The card says "if your hand triggers" not "when your hand triggers"
Each -1 is a "when", but "if" only triggers once; it's either true or false. So it should activate once, each hand.

If it doesn't activate once each hand during this boss, that is indeed an oversight and should be fixed. You should gain $3 for a 5 card hand, and $7 for a 1 card hand, etc.

[Ed]

Just found this myself as well, a little frustrating as I wasted a good joker myself. Perhaps just needs a 'doesnt work on the Tooth' proviso, or a bit of rewording

[TowerWizard]

Автор сообщения: Ed

Just found this myself as well, a little frustrating as I wasted a good joker myself. Perhaps just needs a 'doesnt work on the Tooth' proviso, or a bit of rewording

So it does not work at all? Not even once per round?

[Taborlin the Great]

The wordings in replies here were extremely weird so I will explain it myself.

Matador: "Earn $8 if played hand triggers the Boss Blind ability".

1 - It obviously will not give $8 for every card debuffed. As it says, you will get a flat +$8 if your hand activates a boss blind ability.

2 - The thing that earns you $8 is your HAND TRIGGERING the boss blind ability. Boss Blinds like The Wall, The Needle, The Manacle obviously doesn't trigger Matador. In theory, only blinds triggering this should be the Suit Blinds, The Plant(Face Cards), The Pillar; Blinds that let you slip in a debuffed card into your played hand. As well as blinds that let you play invalid hands like The Psychic(5 card hands only), The Mouth(Play only 1 hand type), The Eye (No repeat hand types).

Now, I did not try matador even once. If it is activating for blinds like The Arm(Decrease poker hand level) or The Ox(Playing most played hand type sets $ to 0), then it should definitely activate for The Tooth too and this is a bug. Otherwise, Matador is working as intended.

[Goblin]

Автор сообщения: Taborlin the Great

2 - The thing that earns you $8 is your HAND TRIGGERING the boss blind ability. Boss Blinds like The Wall, The Needle, The Manacle obviously doesn't trigger Matador. In theory, only blinds triggering this should be the Suit Blinds, The Plant(Face Cards), The Pillar; Blinds that let you slip in a debuffed card into your played hand. As well as blinds that let you play invalid hands like The Psychic(5 card hands only), The Mouth(Play only 1 hand type), The Eye (No repeat hand types).

The only way your hand could possibly NOT trigger this boss is if you played a 0 card hand - which is of course impossible. You play the hand, it triggers the -1 per card.
Meanwhile on the suit disable bosses, playing a debuffed card does not actually trigger the boss effect; the boss' effect is disabling those jokers as you draw them. They are already disabled when you play them, so no ability gets triggered by your hand.

Of course in reality I assume it does work for the debuff bosses, and I'm not saying it shouldn't. But it really has more reason to trigger on Tooth than on those, contrary to your claim.

[TowerWizard]

It did not work on the boss that discards cards when playing a hand, even though the hand I played sure triggered the boss ability.

[Goblin]

Автор сообщения: TowerWizard

It did not work on the boss that discards cards when playing a hand, even though the hand I played sure triggered the boss ability.

Yeah, it should really work on that one too - unless you have a 5 card hand size (or less maybe if you're an absolute madman) and play all your cards, because then there's nothing to discard.

[Virde]

Автор сообщения: TowerWizard

Автор сообщения: Ed

Just found this myself as well, a little frustrating as I wasted a good joker myself. Perhaps just needs a 'doesnt work on the Tooth' proviso, or a bit of rewording

So it does not work at all? Not even once per round?

Since no one seems to be actually stating the obvious, Matador does not work on the Tooth at all. It does literally nothing. If you play a hand of 5, Matador is going to sit on the sidelines while it watches the Tooth rob you of $5.

[malogoss]

There's a challenge that debuffs used cards until the end of the run.
Playing those debuffed cards trigger Matador.

Yep.

[brickey.8]

Does the matador work if you play a face-down card? Does it work even if that card doesn't score?

Honestly matador sounds nice in theory but it's super unpredictable in which situations it will or won't work.

[TowerWizard]

It should have an in-game list of situations in which it will work, and, perhaps more importantly, in which situations it will not work (preferably with an explanation for why it doesn't, and an official apology for the poor explanation).

[TowerWizard]

Автор сообщения: malogoss

There's a challenge that debuffs used cards until the end of the run.
Playing those debuffed cards trigger Matador.

Yep.

It would be better if the card simply gave 8$ for every played hand containing one or more debuffed cards (used in scoring). Then there would be no ambiguity.

[Goblin]

Автор сообщения: TowerWizard

It should have an in-game list of situations in which it will work, and, perhaps more importantly, in which situations it will not work (preferably with an explanation for why it doesn't, and an official apology for the poor explanation).

Best you'll probably get is the same as the blueprint joker, a little "(in)compatible" note when you hover over it during specific bosses. You'd still only find out during the boss, unless you memorize it, but at least you'd be able to find out before playing a hand.