Magic trick voucher worse than useless?

[brickey.8]

The magic trick voucher (the one that makes regular cards appear in the shop) is absolutely awful. As far as I can tell, it ONLY makes unenhanced cards appear. There's almost no circumstance where you'd want to buy most of those. The only time you'd ever even be tempted is if you're focusing hard on one number (in which case only 1 in 13 will be the right number). But every one of those cards takes away a chance at a card that you'd actually want, so you just have to spend more on rerolls.

I grabbed it on a run with the joker whose multiplier increases with every card you add to the deck, and even then I didn't choose to buy a single one because they would water down my deck.

If this cost $0 it would still be detrimental to most runs.

[malogoss]

How is that different from jokers or planets offered at the shop? Most of the time I don't want what's there. Same with deck cards.

[Ronald Brain]

Did you forget about Hollowgram and another Joker that adds chips to your score the more cards you have?

[Saturn]

Yeah its not great and is only worth buying to unlock the Illusion voucher which does allow enhanced cards

[Cile]

If you're happy with your jokers and building a flush deck it's not terrible.

[potion cellardoor]

Just because you can't imagine a situation where buying unenhanced poker cards would be useful doesn't mean those situations don't exist.

Flush builds want more of their chosen suit. 5 of a kind builds want more of their chosen value. Hack builds want more 2, 3, 4 and 5s. Sixth sense wants more sixes.

All of these are reasons you might want to buy poker cards from the shop.

Also, choosing not to take advantage of your Hologram joker doesn't make that joker or the Magic Trick voucherbad, it just means you didn't choose to take advantage of it.

[A bear]

I made a crazy hologram deck with that voucher, it has some niche uses. Hologram in first area and card purchase in second gave me a 90 card deck with a crazy multiplier by the end.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by potion cellardoor:

Just because you can't imagine a situation where buying unenhanced poker cards would be useful doesn't mean those situations don't exist.

Flush builds want more of their chosen suit. 5 of a kind builds want more of their chosen value. Hack builds want more 2, 3, 4 and 5s. Sixth sense wants more sixes.

All of these are reasons you might want to buy poker cards from the shop.

Also, choosing not to take advantage of your Hologram joker doesn't make that joker or the Magic Trick joker bad, it just means you didn't choose to take advantage of it.

I'd argue Hack only wants enhanced 2-to-5 cards, since unenhanced ones would only add 2-5 chips. Unless you also have Even Steven or something but that'd only further limit what number you want to buy.

I agree that this voucher is kinda crummy in most cases, but not every voucher should be run changing or even something you want at all depending on build. Hell, the Blank Voucher exists just to dilute the pool and unlock another voucher after you buy it 10 times.

[Saturn]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Originally posted by potion cellardoor:

Just because you can't imagine a situation where buying unenhanced poker cards would be useful doesn't mean those situations don't exist.

Flush builds want more of their chosen suit. 5 of a kind builds want more of their chosen value. Hack builds want more 2, 3, 4 and 5s. Sixth sense wants more sixes.

All of these are reasons you might want to buy poker cards from the shop.

Also, choosing not to take advantage of your Hologram joker doesn't make that joker or the Magic Trick joker bad, it just means you didn't choose to take advantage of it.

I'd argue Hack only wants enhanced 2-to-5 cards, since unenhanced ones would only add 2-5 chips. Unless you also have Even Steven or something but that'd only further limit what number you want to buy.

I agree that this voucher is kinda crummy in most cases, but not every voucher should be run changing or even something you want at all depending on build. Hell, the Blank Voucher exists just to dilute the pool and unlock another voucher after you buy it 10 times.

I feel like a lot of the vouchers should be less than 10 dollars

[tangy]

it's based if you have something like hologram

[iheartdaikaiju]

It's just a deck synergy voucher
EDIT : Also there's a 2nd tier unlockable to most vouchers, I don't want to spoil anything but... any time you see a voucher that seems not that good try buying it anyway.

[Teie]

Like many people said, there is at least one situation when it's useful - when you have nothing but Hologram as you main xMult.

[Draco18s]

Originally posted by Saturn:

I feel like a lot of the vouchers should be less than 10 dollars

You want Clearance Sale and Liquidation.

[Wheelchair Murdura]

I mean we can all agree it IS THEEEE worst voucher in general right? The upgraded version was the last one I ever unlocked by FAR because of how rare it is to come across the first one and think "this is worth it and will not just 100% make my shop worse". I force bought it several times where I absolutely didn't want it just to maybe get the upgraded one to unlock it.

When you got holo joker and focusing high card/pair/three of a kind it's like "awesome, I don't mind filling my deck with cards I don't want so this is actually great".

I honestly think it could be buffed without being too strong and would be way more interesting if the base version had a low chance to add edition/seal and next level double/triple that chance just like tarot/planet vouchers. That would at least give me a reason to dilute the shop with random crap, we are here to gamble after all eh?

Paying 10 dollars to dilute shop with basic random cards and the CHANCE to pay another 10 dollars later (and take up a voucher slot for something else in that shop which couldve been a better one) and then finally maybe getting some crazy reroll seals going? Yeah no thanks by that point your deck is already trimmed for whatever hand and probably has a few sealed cards to continue copying with tarot...

Blank voucher though? I'll snap buy that son of a gun any day of the week <3

[Rokk]

Magic Trick is so incredibly bad of a voucher that most of the time, it's actually detrimental to buy. As long as you keep this in mind and never ever buy it, then the worst it can do is repeatedly clog up your shop voucher slots (which is already incredibly bad by itself).

It's an absolutely trash voucher. It's OK with Hologram, but in EVERY other situation, it is terrible. Worst voucher in the game. Because it clogs up your shop slots with LESS jokers and replaces them with bad cards. Do NOT listen to anyone saying that it's "actually good" just because you MIGHT find Illusion later. You cannot rely on this.

The only way this voucher could be good, is if it added more shop slots that are reserved exclusively for playing cards. Then it wouldn't clog up your shop slots with less jokers.

[iheartdaikaiju]

EDIT : I missed the post two above mine before I wrote all this lol, I agree with /u/Wheelchair Murdura

Screw spoilers and being vague since this discussion keeps going.

Illusion is the tier 2 version of the Magic Trick voucher and it is A. MA. ZING.

It adds mods to the playing cards in the shop, about as frequently as they appear in packs. You can buy a guaranteed blue or purple seal card for a dollar or two.

I don't get how people figure this out about the blank voucher and don't figure it out about the magic trick voucher but whatever.