Mega Spectral Pack with Legendary Joker + Copy Joker! Oh it's Chicot

[Dollop of Mayo]

my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined

[Wheelchair Murdura]

Yeah he absolutely sucks honestly. I got second hand frustration and vented my feelings in an earlier thread regarding him lul

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2379780/discussions/0/4365754355269162923/

[Rokk]

Oh good lord, are both of you ever wrong.

For starters, duplicating Chicot means that certain boss blinds are INVERTED. This can be extremely powerful. The Water starts with no discards? Well now you get to start with twice as many discards instead. Violet Vessel is a larger blind? Well now he's a SMALLER blind than usual. You should have gone for the dupe!

Second, Chicot by himself is extremely powerful. He LITERALLY, and I mean LITERALLY, disables a core challenge of the game, that being bosses. Bosses just no longer exist whatsoever. A core game mechanic that makes the game harder, poof, just gone for the rest of the run. How in the heck is that not worthy of a Legendary joker status?

When you get Chicot, that means you can finally start focusing on "broken" builds that would normally never work in a normal run because a boss would counter them. If you don't have to worry about The Plant, then a Steel King Baron build or a face card/single suit build suddenly becomes a lot more attractive.

Chicot is always useful in any deck. Unlike Canio who only works if you can actually obtain Hanged Mans and don't plan on using your face cards, or Yorick who only works after a delay, and you might not survive or you might win the run before that happens. Seriously, Canio can be strong but often times he's a bigger bummer just because he does nothing from the get-go and needs luck to take off. He only starts outpacing Cavendish after two full hanged man uses and if my Hologram is already built up to x5 I'm not that excited about getting Canio to be frank.

tl;dr: skill issue.

[A bear]

Inverted boss blinds sounds amazing. Maybe some day I will get super lucky and get to try that.

[Bumc]

I got chicot 2 times and both were after infinite reroll for bosses, so that was a bummer. Generally if you can afford to roll, there will be a boss that doesn't really affect you.

[Dollop of Mayo]

Originally posted by Rokk:

Oh good lord, are both of you ever wrong.

For starters, duplicating Chicot means that certain boss blinds are INVERTED. This can be extremely powerful. The Water starts with no discards? Well now you get to start with twice as many discards instead. Violet Vessel is a larger blind? Well now he's a SMALLER blind than usual. You should have gone for the dupe!

Second, Chicot by himself is extremely powerful. He LITERALLY, and I mean LITERALLY, disables a core challenge of the game, that being bosses. Bosses just no longer exist whatsoever. A core game mechanic that makes the game harder, poof, just gone for the rest of the run. How in the heck is that not worthy of a Legendary joker status?

When you get Chicot, that means you can finally start focusing on "broken" builds that would normally never work in a normal run because a boss would counter them. If you don't have to worry about The Plant, then a Steel King Baron build or a face card/single suit build suddenly becomes a lot more attractive.

Chicot is always useful in any deck. Unlike Canio who only works if you can actually obtain Hanged Mans and don't plan on using your face cards, or Yorick who only works after a delay, and you might not survive or you might win the run before that happens. Seriously, Canio can be strong but often times he's a bigger bummer just because he does nothing from the get-go and needs luck to take off. He only starts outpacing Cavendish after two full hanged man uses and if my Hologram is already built up to x5 I'm not that excited about getting Canio to be frank.

tl;dr: skill issue.

lol no

the problem with duplicating Chicot is now it takes up 2 joker slots so your 3~ other jokers have to do all the work getting you enough points to beat the other antes. I guess if you get lucky enough to have a negative Chicot and duplicate that you're happy but how often is that gonna happen?

anyway it's not a skill issue, it's a bad Joker issue and your head is in the clouds, bosses in this game either don't matter or can be rerolled away and maybe 1 boss per run is a showstopper, but I'd be just as happy to get a Luchador at that point as a Chicot

[Rokk]

Duping Chicot is mostly for the funny factor and not that practical, but either way Chicot is certainly not a bad legendary when you're just trying to win a run. Endless is a meme and I don't really consider it a goal.

If a build is not exactly taking off yet, Chicot can help you grab other builds and jokers that most experienced players are blind to because bosses normally make them suck. Like Pareidolia, which is normally so inexcusably bad without a boss solution that it's a detriment to your run. You're talking about boss rerolls, but you are in no way guaranteed to get Director's Cut or a reroll tag in time.

If you're late into a run and already mostly set then yeah, Chicot might not help you much. But equally, neither would a Canio or Yorick. Many builds don't benefit from Triboulet either. Not every legendary can be Perkeo, and that's OK. I think Chicot is more than fair in its current state considering it literally disables a core mechanic of the game, permanently.

[Dollop of Mayo]

I suppose I should've specified that this spectral pack was like, on ante 2

so any other legendary joker would've gone insane

[Zaddy]

Chicot is useful, but on Gold stake you basically always need 5 scoring jokers outside of the early antes. Basically every other legendary can carry a run, but Chicot just feels like a utility joker that can be replaced by boss skips or the reroll voucher. Disappointment is justified imo