Need better starting joker

[Tenebros]

I loose like 1 game on 4 before first boss because i dont get joker or only getting support that doesnt give neither mult or chips, if you dont get 2 of the following : flush straigth and flush you can't pass him. I never felt a game this unbalanced. If you get a joker at start that, for once, help and you dont get money joker in the next 3-4 round if rng jesus is not with you its ff. I often finish boss 4 with absolutely no synergies spawned (like retrigger card, or card that modify the way other card work, at most i get 1 but they usualy do nothing alone).

[Goblin]

What stake? If you're not talking about the higher ones:
-You don't need any joker to get through ante 1 quite reliably.
-Most of my lower stake successful runs (aside from black deck) didn't use economy jokers at any point. Interest goes brrrr.
-synergies are nice, not required to win. A single (halfway decent) +mult and +chips joker, and finding some xMult late game, are more important

[Tenebros]

Originally posted by Goblin:

What stake? If you're not talking about the higher ones:
-You don't need any joker to get through ante 1 quite reliably.
-Most of my lower stake successful runs (aside from black deck) didn't use economy jokers at any point. Interest goes brrrr.
-synergies are nice, not required to win. A single (halfway decent) +mult and +chips joker, and finding some xMult late game, are more important

Nah chips + mult are far from enough the boss score requirement go high stupidly fast.
Interest goes brrrr only if got the good voucher in row otherwise its far from being enough so you need more eco early.
I'm playing black deck because other deck seem ♥♥♥♥♥ for late game.
Even with more hand tripple and double card make so little point that you cant pass first boss with it.

[Goblin]

Ah yes, you're playing on the hardest deck and complaining about difficulty. Lol.

[Tenebros]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Ah yes, you're playing on the hardest deck and complaining about difficulty. Lol.

I mean, like i said pair and brelan wouldnt be enough for first boss and for late game the extra joker is so much usefull, i feel like other deck are so less consistent for mid late game.
Also with only one win at my counter, i have only 5 deck so idk if there is deck with better bonuses

[Lustre]

This is a roguelite game, dude. The RNG aspect is the point of it. You're not going to win every time. The point of increased difficulty is that it's harder to win. If you can't beat the boss, either learn how to get the right combos and play until you get it, or lower the difficulty. They aren't going to make the game easier for you.

[Tenebros]

Originally posted by Lustre:

This is a roguelite game, dude. The RNG aspect is the point of it. You're not going to win every time. The point of increased difficulty is that it's harder to win. If you can't beat the boss, either learn how to get the right combos and play until you get it, or lower the difficulty. They aren't going to make the game easier for you.

There is a difference between not every game and almost never bro. I've played hundreds and hundreds of hours of isaac and even the worst character of this game is more concistant that this game early build in easy mode.

[Lustre]

Originally posted by Tenebros:

Originally posted by Lustre:

This is a roguelite game, dude. The RNG aspect is the point of it. You're not going to win every time. The point of increased difficulty is that it's harder to win. If you can't beat the boss, either learn how to get the right combos and play until you get it, or lower the difficulty. They aren't going to make the game easier for you.

There is a difference between not every game and almost never bro. I've played hundreds and hundreds of hours of isaac and even the worst character of this game is more concistant that this game early build in easy mode.

Right, but have you thought about why you're having a hard time and why others have done it just fine? Maybe this isn't your game? You don't need to be a good at everything you do.

[Lucky_Star_Fan]

I think the game gets harder the more jokers you unlock. So many of my early shops have $ gain jokers only. A lot of the very strong common jokers like riff-raff and misprint are much more rare to find now.

[Tenebros]

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

I think the game gets harder the more jokers you unlock. So many of my early shops have $ gain jokers only. A lot of the very strong common jokers like riff-raff and misprint are much more rare to find now.

probably why i easily won the second game ive done and keep loosing since

[Lustre]

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

I think the game gets harder the more jokers you unlock. So many of my early shops have $ gain jokers only. A lot of the very strong common jokers like riff-raff and misprint are much more rare to find now.

Maybe you've unlocked the wrong jokers. A lot of the ones I've unlocked are the strong hand jokers when you win without playing a certain hand. There are tons of powerful jokers that have nothing to do with money.

[Tenebros]

Originally posted by Lustre:

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

I think the game gets harder the more jokers you unlock. So many of my early shops have $ gain jokers only. A lot of the very strong common jokers like riff-raff and misprint are much more rare to find now.

Maybe you've unlocked the wrong jokers. A lot of the ones I've unlocked are the strong hand jokers when you win without playing a certain hand. There are tons of powerful jokers that have nothing to do with money.

Most of those i unlocked like the dagger or vampire are garbage if you dont have enough to set them up

[Lustre]

Originally posted by Tenebros:

Originally posted by Lustre:

Maybe you've unlocked the wrong jokers. A lot of the ones I've unlocked are the strong hand jokers when you win without playing a certain hand. There are tons of powerful jokers that have nothing to do with money.

Most of those i unlocked like the dagger or vampire are garbage if you dont have enough to set them up

If you don't care about unlocking progression, you can just go into your profile and unlock everything, then you can play with all the best stuff unlocked. Less for you to get upset about. If you keep losing after that, then you either have awful luck, or just aren't good at this kind of game.

[Gillium]

Hate to say it, but this is a skill issue. At base difficulty, you should be winning the vast majority of games. As already mentioned, the black deck is the hardest, though, so consider restarting your run if things are looking bleak early on.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by Tenebros:

Originally posted by Lustre:

Maybe you've unlocked the wrong jokers. A lot of the ones I've unlocked are the strong hand jokers when you win without playing a certain hand. There are tons of powerful jokers that have nothing to do with money.

Most of those i unlocked like the dagger or vampire are garbage if you dont have enough to set them up

-Both of those are available from the start
-Vampire is strong in most cases except if you get it right at the start.
-Dagger is very strong as long as you have some income joker. Which yes, circumstantial, but not rare.

At the very least stop playing on the hardest deck for now. -1 hand is hurting you more than you think and you clearly aren't making it to the part where you get a 6th useful joker anyway. It's doing nothing to benefit you.

[Lustre]

I just got the Legendary joker "Canio", so just get him and your runs should be a breeze with black deck. Easy peasy.