Game isn't luck based.

[Crews]

I come to the discussions every now and then to see whats goin on and I see people constantly speak about how they can never beat the game after like 50 hours or something. At first I also thought the game was luck based but now I can win pretty much right away with any deck. You have to learn how to save and spend your money when you need to, that tip is probably the best thing I can tell you. Watch some videos too, there is a really good streamer/YouTuber I watch named Skootie who helped me get better just by watching. Sure there is some luck in the game but if your decent youll figure it out. Luck only matters later on during high stakes when you literally need help from something specific for your build. This game frankly, is just a simple matter of "get good." Also mods are out btw which are extremely fun to mess around with, and I think theres a calculator for jokers somewhere and certain hands that might be helpful.

[Crews]

The game takes time to learn and get used to and once you start unlocking more and more jokers your eyes will widen up and youll start realizing the builds to make.

[Crews]

ALSO if you feel like you want a new run to reset HOLD R. You'll get used to it.

[Crews]

And if you still are 100% convinced the game is luck based, I probably would recommend you stay away from like 99.9% roguelikes.

[NoobusMaximus]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Soon after my first win, I beat my next easily with the multitude of X/Multiplier cards I had unlocked, so that's what everyone was mentioning in general, whereas initially I didn't have access to many of those since I had yet to win my first run

Good Luck & Have Fun :smiling:

I've won 3 runs so far, with 22 hours played in total, and currently 56% of items unlocked. It took me some 15 hours until I first beat the game.

The game is not RNG based. You can easily mitigate bad RNG by rerolling the Shop for Jokers, as long as you're smart enough to not spend every cent the second you win it, instead of leveraging interest.

The first Ante can easily be beaten with 0 Jokers. Maybe when you're trying to reach Ante 11+ which requires millions of chips it's a different matter, but beating the game (Ante 8) I've managed to do increasingly more frequently once everything clicked, and hitting certain Jokers had nothing to do with it.

[Darzai]

After a few plays it becomes clear what combinations of jokers, planets , tarots and upgrades are very powerful.

You still need luck though to get them. Especially with spending your money on packs.
Then there is the obvious drawing of cards luck, which is only mitigated by having a powerful combination of jokers, planets etc,

A few antes is almost always possible. But after that you need a good combo of extras for which you need luck to obtain.

I don't think this is a particularly bad thing though. It just depends on what you expect of the game I guess.

[Ronald Brain]

I'll stress this again: *Some* luck are indeed required to get past the first few ante, but if you play carefully and make use of what you have, it IS possible to beat most of the run in White Stake.

Challenges on the other hand, requires a much higher amount of luck to beat, some super tough ones like Jokerless will destroy you given a bad RNG roll and you can't do anything about it. Get wrecked by powerful boss in early ante, built a super strong deck only to have Verdant Leaf greet you at the end, etc... can be brutal. I can't really blame anyone for ragequit at this point since you did literally everything in your power only for the game to say "screw you Imma cheat too".

[Dr Schmeltz]

"This game in NOT luck based, it requires SKILL. Just GIT GUD" - Every gambler about any gambling game ever.

[Qviss]

Game is fun but it becomes a restart simulator until I get a good start.

[sab0t]

Originally posted by Ronald Brain:

I'll stress this again: *Some* luck are indeed required to get past the first few ante, but if you play carefully and make use of what you have, it IS possible to beat most of the run in White Stake.

Challenges on the other hand, requires a much higher amount of luck to beat, some super tough ones like Jokerless will destroy you given a bad RNG roll and you can't do anything about it. Get wrecked by powerful boss in early ante, built a super strong deck only to have Verdant Leaf greet you at the end, etc... can be brutal. I can't really blame anyone for ragequit at this point since you did literally everything in your power only for the game to say "screw you Imma cheat too".

this is the most reasonable take for sure. there is definitely some luck involved of course, and it increases quite a bit depending on the stake or challenge, but there is also a ton of applied knowledge that makes a tremendous difference in how likely I can get a win.

[Haka]

Just because you don't know what luck, odds, and RNG are and how they work, doesn't mean they aren't real and aren't a very real part of this game. I'm sure there's no ego involved in your post either, at least according to you.

[Joeynator3000]

Originally posted by Dr Schmeltz:

"This game in NOT luck based, it requires SKILL. Just GIT GUD" - Every gambler about any gambling game ever.

Pretty much yeah...

Once again I had a good run, decent jokers...but then one blind comes up and REFUSED to give me the cards I need to win. Wasted all discards, even wasted hands as discards and the game is like "lol nope". It's luck. lol

[Doc]

Originally posted by Joeynator3000:

Originally posted by Dr Schmeltz:

"This game in NOT luck based, it requires SKILL. Just GIT GUD" - Every gambler about any gambling game ever.

Pretty much yeah...

Once again I had a good run, decent jokers...but then one blind comes up and REFUSED to give me the cards I need to win. Wasted all discards, even wasted hands as discards and the game is like "lol nope". It's luck. lol

If it were luck, nobody would ever improve and only win rarely. Two things to improve your game: remember money is everything, and get those x multipliers and make sure they're on the right of your Jokers.

[Exploding Carrot]

Luck definitely plays a part, because in reality you need to encounter the right Jokers to be able to win a run, at least in my somewhat limited experience of the game so far.

I've not won a run on the PC version of the game yet, but have been enjoying the game so much I decided to buy the Switch version as well so I could play it on my lunch break and thanks to a lucky run of good Jokers managed to win on only the second run I attempted on it.

I don't doubt there is a decent amount of strategy and skill involved too, but I can't see how luck doesn't play a part in being successful too.

[Dollop of Mayo]

Yeah the game's never totally luck based but the higher the stake, the more luck comes into it. So many Jokers become Not Good Enough and if you don't get offered the Good Enough Jokers, that's not coz you were bad. You can't just skill through not enough points because your Joker only does +10 mult but the game requires +50

[Joeynator3000]

Originally posted by Doc:

Originally posted by Joeynator3000:

Pretty much yeah...

Once again I had a good run, decent jokers...but then one blind comes up and REFUSED to give me the cards I need to win. Wasted all discards, even wasted hands as discards and the game is like "lol nope". It's luck. lol

If it were luck, nobody would ever improve and only win rarely. Two things to improve your game: remember money is everything, and get those x multipliers and make sure they're on the right of your Jokers.

Yeah....IF THE GAME WOULD GIVE ME SAID JOKERS. I'm telling you...IT'S....LUCK.
I often just get Jokers for chips or small +Mult, then the runs where I do get all the best jokers, the cards I draw are always crap at some point and then I simply lose. The game works against me 90% of the time.