Tip for "Matador"

[sab0t]

I never used this joker much as it sounded like it would very rarely ever proc. However I played a game where I ended up with a polychrome Matador so I kept it around, and I learned that playing debuffed cards will trigger the effect. So if you play 3 of a kind, and 2 of those cards are debuffed, you will get $8 x 2 = $16!

Considering that cards getting debuffed is extremely common for bosses, this seems like it could generate a massive amount of money very easily. I haven't used it since but I'm planning to try it out again and seeing how much money I can generate from a single boss round.

Note that I am PRETTY SURE that the debuffed card must be part of the hand. so if you play a pair with 3 random debuffed cards, those will not count (unless you had Splash which counts every card played).

I'm still not totally clear on all the situations it can trigger, so I may not be 100% correct with all this info, so please correct me if anything here is wrong. I'll try playing a few rounds and seeing if I can get it again

[malogoss]

The problem with Matador is that often, it's a dead joker filling a slot for nothing good in return. Never procs on SB and BB, won't even proc for some blind bosses.

Your poly Matador was a very good card. Because it negates the downside I just pointed out. Hope you enjoyed it, doesn't happen too often!

Matador procs once per played hand maximum. It never gave you $16 on one hand played. But sometimes it is possible to kind of stall, play many low scoring hands and then Matador becomes a money printer.

There's a challenge in which the cards you play become debuffed until the end of the run. I was doing that challenge and I found Matador. To my surprise, it activated against all blinds, boss or not, whenever I played a debuffed card. Do I need to say money wasn't a problem in that run?

[sab0t]

Originally posted by malogoss:

The problem with Matador is that often, it's a dead joker filling a slot for nothing good in return. Never procs on SB and BB, won't even proc for some blind bosses.

Your poly Matador was a very good card. Because it negates the downside I just pointed out. Hope you enjoyed it, doesn't happen too often!

Matador procs once per played hand maximum. It never gave you $16 on one hand played. But sometimes it is possible to kind of stall, play many low scoring hands and then Matador becomes a money printer.

There's a challenge in which the cards you play become debuffed until the end of the run. I was doing that challenge and I found Matador. To my surprise, it activated against all blinds, boss or not, whenever I played a debuffed card. Do I need to say money wasn't a problem in that run?

thanks so much for clarifying some of these details. the run where I used it was awhile ago and I thought it was triggering multiple times per hand, but I don't remember it super well so I wasn't totally sure.

I also agree that any joker that is sitting idle for the majority of the rounds you're playing is probably not very good. this is also why i barely use loyalty card, but even that one I guess you have a bit more control over. also interesting to learn it works for special cases like in challenge runs, in THOSE scenarios that would be an incredible card for sure, that must've been fun haha.

i wish this card was a little better somehow, i like these 'high risk' kind of cards but only triggering once per hand definitely deflates some of the potential i thought it had. guess it could still be a good pick to use temporarily in rare cases.

[BlackJack]

I'd say that one of the best use cases for matador is a quick investment: You buy it in a shop before a boss blind it triggers on, use it in the boss blind, then sell it once you need the joker slot back.

Also probably comes in handy if you're going for the speedrunner achievement, since you won't be fighting small/big blinds much anyways.

[sab0t]

Originally posted by BlackJack:

I'd say that one of the best use cases for matador is a quick investment: You buy it in a shop before a boss blind it triggers on, use it in the boss blind, then sell it once you need the joker slot back.

Also probably comes in handy if you're going for the speedrunner achievement, since you won't be fighting small/big blinds much anyways.

100% agreed, this is the best way to use it. maybe also good for anaglyph deck as skipping blinds is generally much more common.

[malogoss]

Originally posted by sab0t:

i wish this card was a little better somehow, i like these 'high risk' kind of cards but only triggering once per hand definitely deflates some of the potential i thought it had. guess it could still be a good pick to use temporarily in rare cases.

Same. I also wish it was a bit better. To me what kills it is all the bosses that will not allow it to proc, ever. That's bad. I can live with it being useless against SB and BB. But if it's useless against some bosses, then what's the point?

I don't know. A rather generic "+$4 per hand played against bosses" would work fine with me. The point is, a simple Golden joker will make $4 every round. So it would make sense if Matador could generate $12, $16, or even $28 per boss if played correctly, right?

EDIT: once again, I bought Matador because on an incoming boss. The one that takes $1 from you for each card played. Well crap, that boss does not trigger the Matador, which is really bad. It makes no sense. I play a hand, it activates a boss ability, Matador SHOULD work. Arrrgghh

[sab0t]

Originally posted by malogoss:

Originally posted by sab0t:

i wish this card was a little better somehow, i like these 'high risk' kind of cards but only triggering once per hand definitely deflates some of the potential i thought it had. guess it could still be a good pick to use temporarily in rare cases.

Same. I also wish it was a bit better. To me what kills it is all the bosses that will not allow it to proc, ever. That's bad. I can live with it being useless against SB and BB. But if it's useless against some bosses, then what's the point?

I don't know. A rather generic "+$4 per hand played against bosses" would work fine with me. The point is, a simple Golden joker will make $4 every round. So it would make sense if Matador could generate $12, $16, or even $28 per boss if played correctly, right?

yeah completely agree. lol i also use the golden joker as my economy joker 'benchmark', it's just easy and consistent.