Is planet card "Five of a kind" "Flush Five" weak?

[見ている]

Five of a kind +3 mult same as four of a kind
and how come Flush Five +3 mult, just +5 chips more than Five of a kind

[Goblin]

They have higher base scores and higher chips per level. Plus they're inherently stronger by having an extra scoring card and thus extra opportunities to trigger jokers.
At level 10 each, the hands base scores are respectively:
Four of a kind: 330 x 34 = 11220
Five of a kind: 435 x 39 = 16965
Flush Five: 560 x 43 = 24080

That's roughly +50% and +100% base score. Jokers will exacerbate the disparity. So no, they're not weak.

[見ている]

Originally posted by Goblin:

They have higher base scores and higher chips per level. Plus they're inherently stronger by having an extra scoring card and thus extra opportunities to trigger jokers.
At level 10 each, the hands base scores are respectively:
Four of a kind: 330 x 34 = 11220
Five of a kind: 435 x 39 = 16965
Flush Five: 560 x 43 = 24080

That's roughly +50% and +100% base score. Jokers will exacerbate the disparity. So no, they're not weak.

you cant compare at level 10 each
I just played a match can play flush five
Flush five level up times is less then four of a kind

flush five lv4
five a kind lv2
four a kind lv9

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3179062084

[Winter Wolf]

Your 4 of a kind is at level 9 and your five of a kind is at level 2. That is a huge disparity. The Flush five is only at level 4. Not quite as huge but still a big difference.

[Goblin]

You have just as much chance to get 10 Flush Five planets as you have for Four of a kind planets. They do not have different rarities. So yes, I can very much compare them.

[見ている]

Originally posted by Goblin:

You have just as much chance to get 10 Flush Five planets as you have for Four of a kind planets. They do not have different rarities. So yes, I can very much compare them.

If I can play more ante, you are right
ante 8 is end.

[Arakus]

Originally posted by 見ている:

Originally posted by Goblin:

You have just as much chance to get 10 Flush Five planets as you have for Four of a kind planets. They do not have different rarities. So yes, I can very much compare them.

If I can play more ante, you are right
ante 8 is end.

go on to endless mode after you win, tis fun and lets you get extra broken :)

[Spawnling]

Originally posted by 見ている:

you cant compare at level 10 each
I just played a match can play flush five
Flush five level up times is less then four of a kind

flush five lv4
five a kind lv2
four a kind lv9

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3179062084

But you can comapre a Lvl 5 Flush Five(F5) with a Level 9 Four of a Kind(4K) (both use 4/5 +10 chips cards)
F5 Lvl 5: 370*28 = 10360, 4K Lv9: 340*31 = 10540
You can also add a +8 Mult to them
F5 Lvl 5 (+8mult) = 13320, 4K Lv9 (+8mult) = 13260

You can add multipliers
F5 Lv 3 +20 mult = 12180, 4K Lv7 +20 mult = 12600
F5 Lv 4 +20 mult = 14850, 4K Lv8 +20 mult = ♥♥♥♥0
or
4K Lv9 +100 mult = 44540
F5 Lv4 +100 mult = 41250, F5 Lv5 +100 mult = 47360

Then look at a Lv1 Five Flush with Multipliers from +8 to +1000 and see that it is better than a Lv4 Four of a Kind

With +1000 mult, a Lv2 Flush Five is only 250 points less than a Lv6 Four of a Kind (and 750 points worse at +100 mult)

So you can say a Flush Five > Four of a Kind + 4Lvls, as long as the mult is higher than +8 and worse than than a Four of a Kind +5Lvls

[AP WOLRD 5 MANIFEST TRUST IN GOD]

The power of Flush Five over Five of a Kind is that you can play 5 of the same cards. Like, you can play 5 Polychrome, Red Seal, Glass King of Hearts. If you want to play Five of a Kind instead (because it's a higher level or smth), you need to have another King of a different suit, which is bad, because ideally you want to play that extra King of Hearts.

Five of a Kind is better for normal runs, especially if you don't care about suits/card effects and only need the ranks, but the highest of high scores come from Flush Fives in endless.

Also it starts out a little stronger, I guess.

[Daisuki-chan]

I don't really try for flush five or especially flush house often. By the time I've gotten my deck to where I can get them reliably I've leveled up five of a kind or even four of a kind too much for them to contribute much, and those two don't require you to make your deck one suit (or add lots of wild cards that are useless for extra scoring while being disabled by four of four rather than one of four anti-suit boss blinds) either. I wish straight flush and five of a kind had at least higher +mult per planet than four of a kind alongside flush house and flush five having even higher +mults yet, so they can catch up much faster and become more interesting investments. The fact that I often can't achieve flush five or flush house early on does limit my supply of planets for them when compared to easier hands, and Telescope tends to work against these hands for a while, too, so having the same +mult for everything that's four of a kind or above (and similar +chips for many of them, too) limits my ability to pivot by investing into the stronger hands.

Similarly, the +mult on the weakest hands is so low that they're simply hard to invest into, because much less investment in hands that also start with higher chips and mult blows right past your chosen investment into one of them. I realize they're easier hands to achieve, but you don't get to play extra hands by playing weaker hands, so you really need the score. They also often have the drawback of using fewer cards, which is actually bad when you have enhancements/editions/seals going on them, as this makes it all the harder to score well with those hands. Granted, it is easier to discard into having your best cards as well as having more steel in hand with hands made of fewer cards, too, but I'm not sure that balances out often, as by the time you have tons of steel cards you could also have tons of planets in some better hand instead of in a weak one.