The Mad World Challenge -- The Plant

[Winter Wolf]

This combo is lethal and extremely unfortunate/nasty to run into in this challenge run. Particularly at 6-7 Ante where there is no chance the base chips/mult will overcome the minimum. Even with extra hands (I had 6 and got to 26k out of 40k and only that because of a foil joker and a 1.5x mult joker)

[malogoss]

There's no challenge called "Madness".

Might want to change that, I legit have no idea which challenge you are talking about.

[Winter Wolf]

Mad World. Yes. Brainfart in action.

[malogoss]

Was your highest level hand the Flush? And what level? Just curious.

[Goblin]

It's not impossible, but not most people's instinct to build towards a build that can do it. The eternal Pareidolia makes you want to use jokers that activate on face cards, but something like "x+ mult/chips if hand contains X" jokers still work fine, as do all of the x mult jokers that don't activate on specific cards. I.E. stuff like Cavendish, Hologram, Card Sharp.

It's basically a choice for the player between making a challenge run easier than normal but risking certain bosses (which you did), or actually treating it as a challenge with -2 joker slots but lots of income.

[Winter Wolf]

Originally posted by malogoss:

Was your highest level hand the Flush? And what level? Just curious.

3 of a kind. level 6.

[malogoss]

Interesting. In the sense that 3 of a kind isn't punished too much from debuffed scoring cards usually. Unless half your jokers were about making face cards stronger.

There are very few game changes I'd vote for, but one of them would be to start runs with a weaker version of the Director's Cut voucher. Costing more than $10 to activate. Or perhaps a one use ticket for a free boss reroll during the run, but I think I prefer the other option, sounds more balanced to me.

Good luck beating the challenge, if your only problem is the Plant, you'll beat it in no time.

[Winter Wolf]

I did beat it. The Omelot is the current headache. Well most of the challenges are tbh. Just randomly trying them because sort of stalled in the base game.

[Ronald Brain]

Originally posted by Goblin:

It's not impossible, but not most people's instinct to build towards a build that can do it. The eternal Pareidolia makes you want to use jokers that activate on face cards, but something like "x+ mult/chips if hand contains X" jokers still work fine, as do all of the x mult jokers that don't activate on specific cards. I.E. stuff like Cavendish, Hologram, Card Sharp.

It's basically a choice for the player between making a challenge run easier than normal but risking certain bosses (which you did), or actually treating it as a challenge with -2 joker slots but lots of income.

Planet cards are very important in both challenges and normal run as well. I've beaten many boss blind with entirely debuffed cards, because the base Mult of my hand was so high that a couple of scaling +Mult Joker, finished by a sold x2 or x3 Mult Hologram / Throwback = EZ win. Strategy is always simple: Card buff early game, then transferring to general Joker buff along the way. Of course you could still be screwed and lose with bad RNG, but it wouldn't take me too many tries to win again.