[Suggestion] Madness needs changed.

[Osamaru]

On PAPER it seems like fun.
In PRACTICE Its almost unuseable. The scaling just doesn't work without a reliable source of Jokers. And since the only way to consistently get new jokers is a few other jokers (either directly or through other spawns),

So I propose a slight chance.

[When Blind is selected, chose to destroy a random Joker.
If a Joker is destoryed, Gain x1 Multi.
If a Joker isn't destroyed, lose x.05 Multi]

(altteritivly [lose x1] or [lose 50% X multi] if x0.5 is not enough)

[Winter Wolf]

The worst part of this is if it gets eternal (as in the challenge) and is pinned to the right. Then you have no agency but to hope for a steady stream of cheap jokers that somehow coincide with your needed ante.

[Krinkle]

yeah i want a lot of eternal madnesses

[Amplify]

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

The worst part of this is if it gets eternal (as in the challenge) and is pinned to the right. Then you have no agency but to hope for a steady stream of cheap jokers that somehow coincide with your needed ante.

Why do you think you need cheap jokers? It destroying a joker is a side effect, it gaining 0.5x mult happens regardless of it activating the side effect or not.

[Shot_Trip]

Originally posted by Amplify:

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

The worst part of this is if it gets eternal (as in the challenge) and is pinned to the right. Then you have no agency but to hope for a steady stream of cheap jokers that somehow coincide with your needed ante.

Why do you think you need cheap jokers? It destroying a joker is a side effect, it gaining 0.5x mult happens regardless of it activating the side effect or not.

Confusing it with the Knife and the Knife's Edge challenge, pretty sure.

[Winter Wolf]

Originally posted by Amplify:

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

The worst part of this is if it gets eternal (as in the challenge) and is pinned to the right. Then you have no agency but to hope for a steady stream of cheap jokers that somehow coincide with your needed ante.

Why do you think you need cheap jokers? It destroying a joker is a side effect, it gaining 0.5x mult happens regardless of it activating the side effect or not.

To build up *some* amount of mult/chips beyond the measily bit you get from the Madness joker.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by Shot_Trip:

Originally posted by Amplify:

Why do you think you need cheap jokers? It destroying a joker is a side effect, it gaining 0.5x mult happens regardless of it activating the side effect or not.

Confusing it with the Knife and the Knife's Edge challenge, pretty sure.

Has to be, since there is no challenge that gives you an eternal Madness joker. There's also no "pin to the right" mechanic, only the left, and it only appears in said knife challenge. Plus Madness being pinned to the right wouldn't do anything significantly different than what you normally would, you always want xmult to the right.

Originally posted by Winter Wolf:

To build up *some* amount of mult/chips beyond the measily bit you get from the Madness joker.

Gonna refer you to this earlier reply:

Originally posted by Scholar Asleep:

It can carry your run on its own if it also happens to be holographic, as I've won a white stake run with just that one joker.

Planet cards matter.

[TheGiantCooki]

I would say madness joker is actually my favorite round one joker, all you really need is telescope on nebula deck to reliably up your mult

[Hulana]

without meaning to sound rude skill issue, sure its not the best early on but black stake onwards its actually usable if get right eternal jokers, madness can become very broken so its a good balance for it to have the downside it has, not every joker needs to be broken with no downside.

[JubilifeGrotle]

Originally posted by Osamaru:

Originally posted by Shot_Trip:

Here's the fun thing: When you have Eternal Jokers, Madness will still pop but won't kill them or itself - so it'll just grow every round forever without harming anything, assuming you only have Eternals.

Eternals are nice, but unless there's a way I'm unaware of, they're only in black stake+
A card shouldn't be near useless until you've beaten most of the game.

Counter argument, most jokers are useless after green stake because they do not provide enough scaling to keep up with the exponential growth of blind requirements of higher antes. but at that point, jokers like madness become a lot more useful. My first gold stake win came from the very first time I ever used madness. The game's playstyle changes completely every few antes, and the jokers available reflect that

[malogoss]

Yay! A 1+ year necro, Balatro is now officially an old game.

Funny thing, Madness has not been buffed since OP gave their opinion. It's the opposite, it has been nerfed. It was too strong.