I will say this in advance: this Blind is not okay

[Heroes Of Tomorrow]

Just... No
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3042943128

[mkblaze]

Agreed, that one also screwed me over recently.
I'm sure the finished game will have semi-randomized boss blinds but as it stand right now, rerolling the boss blind usually seems to result in a more difficult boss.
Another one I came across makes you lose 1$ for each card you play... and it can go into negative numbers.

[Heroes Of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by mkblaze:

Agreed, that one also screwed me over recently.
I'm sure the finished game will have semi-randomized boss blinds but as it stand right now, rerolling the boss blind usually seems to result in a more difficult boss.
Another one I came across makes you lose 1$ for each card you play... and it can go into negative numbers.

I'm personally just rerolling blinds for completion sake, so I can get as many of them listed in the collection as possible: if you have seed with alternative bosses, please do feel free to share them

As for this particular boss blind: this would be okay if the score to beat got divided not multiplied, as it stands is it unreasonable to defeat this blind without an extremely overpowered combination of Jokers, insanely leveled up hands and an entire modified deck. 90% of the time, this will end your run

And it just feels really bad when a randomised boss blind is more dangerous than the final boss.

[Moyai]

Originally posted by Heroes Of Tomorrow:

Originally posted by mkblaze:

Agreed, that one also screwed me over recently.
I'm sure the finished game will have semi-randomized boss blinds but as it stand right now, rerolling the boss blind usually seems to result in a more difficult boss.
Another one I came across makes you lose 1$ for each card you play... and it can go into negative numbers.

I'm personally just rerolling blinds for completion sake, so I can get as many of them listed in the collection as possible: if you have seed with alternative bosses, please do feel free to share them

As for this particular boss blind: this would be okay if the score to beat got divided not multiplied, as it stands is it unreasonable to defeat this blind without an extremely overpowered combination of Jokers, insanely leveled up hands and an entire modified deck. 90% of the time, this will end your run

And it just feels really bad when a randomised boss blind is more dangerous than the final boss.

Haven't encountered this boss blind yet, but it doesn't look like the score to beat it is multiplied at all, instead being equal to the small blind (though I can imagine that this is still very dangerous if you're unprepared)

[Heroes Of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by Moyai:

Originally posted by Heroes Of Tomorrow:

I'm personally just rerolling blinds for completion sake, so I can get as many of them listed in the collection as possible: if you have seed with alternative bosses, please do feel free to share them

As for this particular boss blind: this would be okay if the score to beat got divided not multiplied, as it stands is it unreasonable to defeat this blind without an extremely overpowered combination of Jokers, insanely leveled up hands and an entire modified deck. 90% of the time, this will end your run

And it just feels really bad when a randomised boss blind is more dangerous than the final boss.

Haven't encountered this boss blind yet, but it doesn't look like the score to beat it is multiplied at all, instead being equal to the small blind (though I can imagine that this is still very dangerous if you're unprepared)

Yeah, I'm full of it, I tought the score was always multiplied from a base one instead of being set for each ante, still I think this should be like either halved or have X0.75 of the original value

[mkblaze]

Originally posted by Heroes Of Tomorrow:

I'm personally just rerolling blinds for completion sake, so I can get as many of them listed in the collection as possible: if you have seed with alternative bosses, please do feel free to share them

Do you think the rerolled boss blind is hard coded into the seed?
Feel free to test it, I just found one: WJW4AM2E
Reroll on Ante 2, gives "The Wall" (4x Base)

[Heroes Of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by mkblaze:

Originally posted by Heroes Of Tomorrow:

I'm personally just rerolling blinds for completion sake, so I can get as many of them listed in the collection as possible: if you have seed with alternative bosses, please do feel free to share them

Do you think the rerolled boss blind is hard coded into the seed?
Feel free to test it, I just found one: WJW4AM2E
Reroll on Ante 2, gives "The Wall" (4x Base)

Thank you. I tried multiple times to reroll the same boss on one seed and always got the same replacement, so i can semi-confirm they are

Sadly, I forgot to save the seed with the boss I showcased: this was before I found the current bosses are fixed (I haven't beaten the Needle yet either)

[mkblaze]

Originally posted by Heroes Of Tomorrow:

Originally posted by mkblaze:

Do you think the rerolled boss blind is hard coded into the seed?
Feel free to test it, I just found one: WJW4AM2E
Reroll on Ante 2, gives "The Wall" (4x Base)

I tried multiple times to reroll the same boss on one seed and always got the same replacement, so i can semi-confirm they are

Sadly, I forgot to save the seed with the boss I showcased: this was before I found the current bosses are fixed (I haven't beaten the Needle yet either)

I see.
Got another one: QK5366X8
Multiple rerolls on this one, got "The Goad" (Spades are debuffed) and "The Tooth" (Lose 1$ for each card played).

[Heroes Of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by mkblaze:

Originally posted by Heroes Of Tomorrow:

I tried multiple times to reroll the same boss on one seed and always got the same replacement, so i can semi-confirm they are

Sadly, I forgot to save the seed with the boss I showcased: this was before I found the current bosses are fixed (I haven't beaten the Needle yet either)

I see.
Got another one: QK5366X8
Multiple rerolls on this one, got "The Goad" (Spades are debuffed) and "The Tooth" (Lose 1$ for each card played).

Have one yourself: this has "The Arm" at first Ante (must play less than 5 cards)

6VH75G5Y

[mkblaze]

Originally posted by Heroes Of Tomorrow:

Originally posted by mkblaze:

I see.
Got another one: QK5366X8
Multiple rerolls on this one, got "The Goad" (Spades are debuffed) and "The Tooth" (Lose 1$ for each card played).

Have one yourself: this has "The Arm" at first Ante (must play less than 5 cards)

6VH75G5Y

Funny, I just ran into that one myself^^ YX16KKK9
Ante 5. Too bad I was playing a Flush build... completely wrecked me.

[Pinstar]

Notice how the number of chips you need to beat the Needle is equal to what you needed to beat the small blind. Most bosses require 2x the chips needed to beat the small blind that ante.

The game recognizes that by reducing the chips required specifically for that boss blind because of its powerful limitation.

Its sister, The Wall, is the other boss blind that messes with the formula. The Wall requires 4x the small blind's chips to beat instead of the standard 2x. In exchange for such a large demand, it imposes no other restrictions, limitations or penalties on you. It lets your deck fight at full strength and tests to see if it can measure up to higher standards.

[Heroes Of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by Pinstar:

Notice how the number of chips you need to beat the Needle is equal to what you needed to beat the small blind. Most bosses require 2x the chips needed to beat the small blind that ante.

The game recognizes that by reducing the chips required specifically for that boss blind because of its powerful limitation.

Its sister, The Wall, is the other boss blind that messes with the formula. The Wall requires 4x the small blind's chips to beat instead of the standard 2x. In exchange for such a large demand, it imposes no other restrictions, limitations or penalties on you. It lets your deck fight at full strength and tests to see if it can measure up to higher standards.

Even then though, 2.800 chips is an INSANE amount to get in one hand, the Wall is significantly easier compared to the Needle because hands are by far your most valuable resource in the game, you need them to build up your score. Leaving you with one with that ante base score, is a game over 90% unless you have an insane mult. Like specifically the runs that can beat this boss are the ones that are already won, 90% of the time, it doesn't matter your build, you lose on the spot,

[Heroes Of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by mkblaze:

Originally posted by Heroes Of Tomorrow:

Have one yourself: this has "The Arm" at first Ante (must play less than 5 cards)

6VH75G5Y

Funny, I just ran into that one myself^^ YX16KKK9
Ante 5. Too bad I was playing a Flush build... completely wrecked me.

Got Wall AND Tooth in one run here PMNQ76E1, just need another seed with Needle I think

[Heroes Of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by mkblaze:

Originally posted by Heroes Of Tomorrow:

Have one yourself: this has "The Arm" at first Ante (must play less than 5 cards)

6VH75G5Y

Funny, I just ran into that one myself^^ YX16KKK9
Ante 5. Too bad I was playing a Flush build... completely wrecked me.

And here is a new one, in the Eye: no repeated hands XS26V5K3

[General Frost]

be thankful that it wasn't at ante 6 and i got it because i rerolled the boss. pretty sure it was near impossible but i might of pulled it off with a really good hand which i couldn't get.