One Life/No hit challenges

[Kein Zantezuken]

Too easy? Well then:

[One Life challenge]

1. You can't die even one time, period (despite the title)
2. Upon death - full level restart (exit into Bank Office and start level again)
3. Can be hit as much times as you want as long as not losing a single life
4. Difficulty must be either Hard or Extreme
5. Pogo mode: does not matter
6. Funds collecting irrelevant but it is encouraged to collect all the "lifes".

[No hit/No damage challenge]
1. Difficulty does not matter at all.
2. One hit - full level restart
3. Losing a life completely (ie falling into pit) counts as a hit. Exception: Dime Race
4. Pogo mode: does not matter
5. Funds collecting irrelevant.



Good luck.

[Mauste]

Originally posted by Ultimacy:

Also, you have to play the game upside down and with only one hand.

Actually the challenges he listed aren't at all ridiculous :)
For example if you die while speedrunning, the whole run is ruined (unless you can save time by dying, so you do not have to backtrack).

In my opinion both challenges should be done only on Extreme difficulty, since you have to beat the game in one sitting. In Hard difficulty no one knows whether you beat the game with just one life (or without taking damage) or did you just beat the level with just one life (or without taking damage).

In other difficulties,these challenges can be level-specific.
For example "Transylvania - No hit" or "Amazon - no deaths" :)

I would also like to add a challenge of my own: "No damage both ways"

• Extreme difficulty
  
• One hit - start the game all over again
  
• You can only hit / kill enemies if you absolutely have to (in order to proceed further in the level).

[Kein Zantezuken]

Yeah, I tried to keep it in sane limits and restrictions. These challenges are very much doable.

[Mauste]

I completed the "One Life"-challenge on Extreme mode yesterday. It took me 5 tries.

In 3 of the tries I died somewhat early, so it didn't really matter. In the 4th attempt I made a ridiculous mistake in the race to the top and couldn't get to the coin in time. It was both sad and funny at the same time. Then on my 5th try, I did it :)

Next up: "No damage"-challenge on Extreme. On that 5th run, I didn't take damage in Himalayas, Transylvania or African Mines, so I am somewhat close to achieving it.

[Kein Zantezuken]

You didn't record the video? Aww man.

[Mauste]

Originally posted by Kein Zantezuken:

You didn't record the video? Aww man.

I tried, but for some reason FRAPS doesn't recognize this game for me. It works fine on other games. I think it might be related to the problems I experience with this game (doesn't shutdown properly, launches on the wrong monitor), since some people have issues with fraps and the others don't. Either way, it doesn't work for me, so I am hoping it gets fixed after a patch.

[Kein Zantezuken]

Try DXTory.

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OP doesnt understand the difference between punishing and difficult.

http://youtu.be/ea6UuRTjkKs

[Kein Zantezuken]

@Ultimacy

Try Dxtory as well. Works for me flawlessly.

[Mauste]

Originally posted by Kein Zantezuken:

@Ultimacy

Try Dxtory as well. Works for me flawlessly.

I think his post was more of a "stab" to my post, since I didn't have proof.
The mysterious 120mb patch fixed the problems I stated (now starts on the correct monitor and doesn't crash when I exit the game), but fraps still doesn't work, so I guess it wasn't related to those problems.

In any case, I will try DxTory. Thanks for the suggestion.

Originally posted by "abort_user:

OP doesnt understand the difference between punishing and difficult.

I watched the video and OP's challenges are not "punishing" as the video talks about it, because DuckTales has very consistent rules:

• Enemies always act the same way
  
• The player always has enough time to react to the enemy
  
• There aren't "rewarding pits" - Pits always kill you.
  
• There are enough tools to work with
  
• Very easy to get into - Hard to master.
  
• The levels are short, if you fail, you can get almost right back into it.
  
• Controls are very responsive and the moves are easy to execute.
  
• There are barely any random-elements

Players like me, who like to do this sort of stuff, can work with these rules. If we die or take damage, it is because we made a mistake, not because the game was being unfair.

Even Super Meat Boy (that the video praises) had "Iron Man"-challenges as achievements, where you had to beat an entire chapter (20 levels) without dying. And dying in that game was a lot more common than in this game.

[Kein Zantezuken]

Do not reply to lame trolls. That was a bait.

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Originally posted by Olli:

Originally posted by Kein Zantezuken:

@Ultimacy

Try Dxtory as well. Works for me flawlessly.

I think his post was more of a "stab" to my post, since I didn't have proof.
The mysterious 120mb patch fixed the problems I stated (now starts on the correct monitor and doesn't crash when I exit the game), but fraps still doesn't work, so I guess it wasn't related to those problems.

In any case, I will try DxTory. Thanks for the suggestion.

Originally posted by "abort_user:

OP doesnt understand the difference between punishing and difficult.

I watched the video and OP's challenges are not "punishing" as the video talks about it, because DuckTales has very consistent rules:

• Enemies always act the same way
  
• The player always has enough time to react to the enemy
  
• There aren't "rewarding pits" - Pits always kill you.
  
• There are enough tools to work with
  
• Very easy to get into - Hard to master.
  
• The levels are short, if you fail, you can get almost right back into it.
  
• Controls are very responsive and the moves are easy to execute.
  
• There are barely any random-elements

Players like me, who like to do this sort of stuff, can work with these rules. If we die or take damage, it is because we made a mistake, not because the game was being unfair.

Even Super Meat Boy (that the video praises) had "Iron Man"-challenges as achievements, where you had to beat an entire chapter (20 levels) without dying. And dying in that game was a lot more common than in this game.

you missed iteration time. "or if you demand the player wade through minutes of content they already mastered just to get a chance at the thing they failed at, you have created a game that's punishing not difficult."

the levels (while short in comparison to modern games) are actually fairly lengthy. especially when you take into account the archaic live system.

they praised Super Meat Boy (ie the core game) not its achievements. this is fine for someone who mastered the game who wants to try to squeeze as much out of the game as possible. but lets not pretend its difficult. its just tedious and "punishing" instead.

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Originally posted by Kein Zantezuken:

Do not reply to lame trolls. That was a bait.

are you calling me a troll? unlike you i actually OWN the game and have played it a good deal.

[Kein Zantezuken]

@Olli

I think his post was more of a "stab" to my post, since I didn't have proof.

Ah, okay, didn't notice a sarcasm in his post. Either way it would be nice if you manage to record video (no need to do it in one pass, of course, each level can be done separately), I myself managed to do each level except Transylvania (hate it) and last one (hate it even more) under One-Life conditions. Due to lack of patience I probably will never finish them >_>

Edit: Just beat Transylvania haha.

[Mauste]

Originally posted by abort_user:

you missed iteration time. "or if you demand the player wade through minutes of content they already mastered just to get a chance at the thing they failed at, you have created a game that's punishing not difficult."

the levels (while short in comparison to modern games) are actually fairly lengthy. especially when you take into account the archaic live system.

they praised Super Meat Boy (ie the core game) not its achievements. this is fine for someone who mastered the game who wants to try to squeeze as much out of the game as possible. but lets not pretend its difficult. its just tedious and "punishing" instead.

True, I didn't remember that.
Obviously it is punishing, if you fail at the end climb, you have to play ~1hour to try it again. However, there is the possibility to practise the parts seperately, which means you do not have to play ~1hour to start practising the end-climb.

The players have unlimited lives and frequent checkpoints in the Easy mode, which doesn't affect the game (same amount of enemies, they act the same way). The exception is the end-climb, but if you practise the proper jumps, the speed of the lava doesn't matter.

Originally posted by "Kein Zantezuken":

Ah, okay, didn't notice a sarcasm in his post. Either way it would be nice if you manage to record video (no need to do it in one pass, of course, each level can be done separately), I myself managed to do each level except Transylvania (hate it) and last one (hate it even more) under One-Life conditions. Due to lack of patience I probably will never finish them >_>

Edit: Just beat Transylvania haha.

I got DxTory working, but I ran out of HDD space. I should've made sure I had enough before trying. I recorded 30 mins (45 gbs) of gameplay and I managed to beat Moneybin, Himalayas, African Mines and Amazon before it stopped (to be exact: it stopped during the Amazon boss).

I am against putting seperate playthroughs to one video, because viewers get the wrong idea.
I will simply try again after I have shuffled some files.

PS: I like Transylvania. The only hard part is the boss, which isn't even that hard, but I always fool around and make mistakes in it.

[Kein Zantezuken]

I got DxTory working, but I ran out of HDD space. I should've made sure I had enough before trying. I recorded 30 mins (45 gbs)

That's.. a lot for just 30 minutes. I think you have the highest quality mode active:
http://i.imgur.com/K1XdPWV.png
Try medium or low.

PS: I like Transylvania. The only hard part is the boss, which isn't even that hard, but I always fool around and make mistakes in it.

It is funny, because Transylvania boss is the easiest boss to me. During my first playthrough I beat it only losing one heart. Later - none. It just the level itself for some reason.. not exactly hard, but annoying a bit, especially part with carts.