this is a $40 game

[Swiftstylus]

Here is my reason I feel like this isn't TRULY a free to play. Free to play games don't restrict content, they give you options to make yourself LOOK better or have slightly better stats (if not godly stats).
Elsword, however, denies you the ability to use all of your abilities. Most games leave the option to have like 16 abilities. Now I realize that since it is such a short game a small restriction on what you can use is probably needed to slow your advancement through the game a bit and keep you playing, but limiting the number of abilities you can use to 4 unless you pay $40 is just stupid.

Unlocking them by level would have been a better way to go about slowing progress. This game makes you pay $40 minimum if you want to be at a competative level (to unlock the QWER buttons) and this isn't even an account unlock. You must do it for each character with which you want to play at a competative level.

This would be a great game if not for that. So if you were thinking of playing this competatively in their arena/ranked section don't bother unless you want to buy a $40 game.

[Star Dream]

B slot is $9...where are you getting 40 from? Most characters don't need B slot to be competitive as you say. Typically Elsword and Raven classes can easily give anyone a run for their money with as little as 3 abilties, the rest is luxury. And even then, most characters (except for Elsword himself) cant realistically gain enough mana to ever need more than 4 skills; One is generally enough to wipe field clean, deal signifcant damage on bosses, or even do both.

[Swiftstylus]

K ching is in $5 or $10 dollar increments. so to get all 4 b slots you need to pay for $40 worth of Kching. And like i said, it isn't shared at all between your characters. If you want to play another class competatively you need to pay for it again.
If you play any of the female classes (excluding the archer chick because her base combos are pretty good), once you reach the latter stages you can actually afford to use them if you are smart about how you use them.
But if they were to stat their stuff and pay for the optimal amount of unlocked abilities and what not, they would most likely win every time they fight.

face it, this game is massively p2w if you can afford those slots or the costumes to socket more stats.

[Star Dream]

And why do you need to buy B slots for more than one main, let alone FOUR? As I mentioned in my post, I said that not all the classes need a B slot to be competitive, some of them needing as little as 3 skills.

And no. I play an Elemental Master, you cannot be "smart" with using your skills and use more than 4 skills with your limited mana pool. The reason EM (among other classes like Grand Archer) needs a B slot is because all of her skills are situational, on top of Aisha already needing to reserve 2 slots for core skills (teleport and their respective mana skill).

The game isn't P2W. It's not even close to it. If you want to call it as such, then at least give a reasonable explanation why; The costume thing isn't even that big of a deal because the stats are negligible and it's available on the player market. You're saying that you need B slot to be competitive. I'm saying you don't (again, unless you're playing certain classes like Aisha). I've seen how other players play their characters, and they more often than not use the same 2-3 skills to function, any more is just overkill and wouldn't really give them any big advantage.

[Swiftstylus]

Excuse me for wanting to be good with more than one character type. And as far as what you are saying about four i have no clue. I am saying that if you want to unlock all the keys and not just one wouldn't you need to buy 4 of the unlocks so you can get Q, W, E, and R? If it does it all at once that's fine, but I'm not willing to pay just to unlock skills slots that should have been unlocked from the start. Restricting the ability to use all your skills as you see fit is not how a f2p should be and there are better ways of goung about making money from them. Look at games like League of Legends. All they make money from is skins or unlocking a champion soon after it comes out (if you don't have the points to earn it without paying money) They do just fine and have a huge player base. Dragon Nest doesn't restrict skill slots or anything like that. It makes all it's money off sealing items, costumes, and enhancement protection things. Costumes are the biggest money maker in f2p games and majority of the time you don't need to restrict the play by forcing players to buy extra skill slots. That is just greedy.
thats situational thing is what i meant when i said be smart with them. You need to have them at the ready in case the situation calls for it. Thinking ahead is being smart.

[Qelris]

Originally posted by YrsofEXP:

And why do you need to buy B slots for more than one main, let alone FOUR? As I mentioned in my post, I said that not all the classes need a B slot to be competitive, some of them needing as little as 3 skills.

I think he thinks he has to pay 9$ per slot.. When you buy that B-Slot item, it unlocks all 4 B-Slots on the character you bought it on.

Originally posted by togebara:

so to get all 4 b slots you need to pay for $40 worth of Kching

[Swiftstylus]

^ that i did. I asked players that were in my guild at level 60 and they acted like I was right.
No one informed me otherwise and trying to google this information kinda sucks as the elsword website is set up really badly for finding info.
I conceede my point. might download it again then, but I still say that it shouldn't be restricted in the first place even if your MP can't support the spells. There are too many games that make more than enough money off skins/costumes/enhancement items etc.
I have found Wizardry Online, beast game. Check it out if you liked Diablo.

[Star Dream]

Buying a B slot unlocks all four slots for the character. I got the impression is that he wants to buy a B slot for four characters.

And her situational skills is the reason why she needs the extra slot of skills to function. You're not planning ahead for managing your mana, because you only need to use one of your skills (you wouldn't have mana to use more than 2 most of the time). But that one skill is only suited for say, killing a field of enemies and sucks at killing bosses. Then you need another skill that's suited for killing bosses, but the damage is focused into one area rather than spread apart. That's what I meant by "needing" a B slot. Other characters have one skill that can function for all situations.

[Swiftstylus]

god no lmao. I don't even HAVE four characters. Only two one is a Code Elec and the other is a Sheathe Knight.
I say that I would like to have at least 5 skills simply because with seraph is you don't you are only going to get 3 abilities since you have to use that one that changes the fields around you so your abilities work in different ways.
I can still get mvp with my abilities as is, but I can tell the difference between my characters and those that have them unlocked when we fight. Where i would use one ability to dodge or something they have another gap closer or large scale AOE that I can't equip because they paid for something and I didn't. That is sort of the definition of p2w, just saying.

[Star Dream]

Originally posted by togebara:

god no lmao. I don't even HAVE four characters. Only two one is a Code Elec and the other is a Sheathe Knight.
I say that I would like to have at least 5 skills simply because with seraph is you don't you are only going to get 3 abilities since you have to use that one that changes the fields around you so your abilities work in different ways.
I can still get mvp with my abilities as is, but I can tell the difference between my characters and those that have them unlocked when we fight. Where i would use one ability to dodge or something they have another gap closer or large scale AOE that I can't equip because they paid for something and I didn't. That is sort of the definition of p2w, just saying.

That's more on the design of the characters. Some characters like Aisha need two skill slots from the get go for their mobility. Ones like say, Lord Knight don't skill slots for their mobility, and they only need 2 or 3 abilties to streamroll anyone in PvP.

And are you sure they even have B slot unlocked in the first place. Four skills is still enough for most characters to get through. A character like electra doesn't even have abilties for dodging (unless you consider photon blink to be one).

[Leslooooooooooooooooooooooo]

If you want to play competitive just practice...You dont need money to be competitive, you just need time and patience. B slot isnt even needed. Yes there are certain characters that need it but most of the time you can win without even in a high elo match. I remember I played against Yrs and she won by x and tp. She basically outplayed me.

[Leslooooooooooooooooooooooo]

Originally posted by chrisown123:

i have be playin this game for 2 years this game is a free to play game you ppl are be poor you have to play for slot so you have to play to look cool so what how will the game make money if you did not have to play for stuff you dont need more slot's it get you slot you just want more you dont need to like cool you will still be good like the other ppl you want to like cool I AM TELL YOU IT A FREE TO PLAY THEY JUST WANT AND WANT AND THEY HAVE ALL THEY NEED

Im sorry I couldnt understand after 2years this game is free to play.

[chrisown123]

sorry ppl just make me mad this game is a free to play game you dont need more slot's you want more slot's you dont need to look cool you want to look cool what i am trying to say is the game give you what you need how will the game make moeny if you dont pay for anything and the stuff that you pay for are not the good stuff in the game it is the stuff that you craft for free

[Eyeblight]

sorry dude i gotta agree with everyone else skill slot b really isnt neccessary i only started this saturday and im already a lvl 40 overtaker and managing quite fine in pvp while using only 3 skills and from what ive noticed only a couple classes ever need more than 4 options in a fight.
only thing ive found to be annoying in this game really is the stamina anything else can be gotten around with practice and grinding ed to buy those cash shop items for ingame coin

[Swiftstylus]

i wasn't saying i NEED them. Depending on the class you don't, but the class I enjoy playing (seraph) needs to have the option to use those "situational" abilities. W.e guys I conceeded my point and agreed with you, why are you still fighting? lol

[Leslooooooooooooooooooooooo]

Originally posted by togebara:

i wasn't saying i NEED them. Depending on the class you don't, but the class I enjoy playing (seraph) needs to have the option to use those "situational" abilities. W.e guys I conceeded my point and agreed with you, why are you still fighting? lol

Not really fighting if everyone is agree on the same thing.