No one likes raven players?

[Mons7erz]

So, Im curious-Does Raven have a lot of butthurt in the Elsword community or something?
It seems like I see no Raven (well few) players in PvE/PVP. I play as Raven, I have a BM and WT. Is Raven OP in comparison to the rest of the Characters or Do people just not like how fast he can potentially be?

Another thing is people say hes a Lag sensitive character, and it affects the person against it more than it affects the player. I have at one point been lagging on my BM, I could not do crap with him, How does it affect the person playing against a Lag-sensitve Character more than the Player them self? Gotta say, That don't make senes.
Thoughts?

[flmewarrior]

I have a Raven as a backup character (mainly cuz he looks like Big Boss) and he's currently Overlord.

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Well, one yes, I have never heard such a ridicoulous comment about Ravens being "Lag sensitive," also pointing out people just hate Ravens cause there referred to as "Perverts" In game which is not in anyway true, just another stereotype. But, it's just really the most hated character in the game for no reason the way I see it. Even in most spar rooms you can mostly see in practice channel, titles that say "No Ravens or No Ravens allowed please" Like that is just not cool.

[Mons7erz]

I agree Yukio, Infact-I got into a Sparring match today, it was packed. So comboing with Raven against someone as per usual, Straight away-"Typical Raven Lagger". Given, I WAS actually lagging, But that is besides the point. I mean that just went to show how lowly raven is considered on the Elsword Hierachy. I mean what is wrong with him? haha

"Lag sensitive?" As I said, It affects the Player more than it does the other guy. It is quite saddening to see possibly one of the most Versitile Character get treated so poorly.

[RedAlertGeneralCnC]

cuz he is a 27 years old MALE!? No one likes grandpa!!! XD I know that elf girl and techno queen is centries old but they LOOK and FEEL very young so it doesn't count.

[Mons7erz]

Originally posted by NotMyREALACCT:

cuz he is a 27 years old MALE!? No one likes grandpa!!! XD I know that elf girl and techno queen is centries old but they LOOK and FEEL very young so it doesn't count.

LOL

[76561198102799856]

Originally posted by El Psy Kongroo:

I agree Yukio, Infact-I got into a Sparring match today, it was packed. So comboing with Raven against someone as per usual, Straight away-"Typical Raven Lagger". Given, I WAS actually lagging, But that is besides the point. I mean that just went to show how lowly raven is considered on the Elsword Hierachy. I mean what is wrong with him? haha

"Lag sensitive?" As I said, It affects the Player more than it does the other guy. It is quite saddening to see possibly one of the most Versitile Character get treated so poorly.

I honestly don't know why people hate Raven so much, or actually! it might obviously not be that people hate Ravens it's the person's behind the scenes personality that people hate.

[Mons7erz]

Originally posted by Yukio:

Originally posted by El Psy Kongroo:

I agree Yukio, Infact-I got into a Sparring match today, it was packed. So comboing with Raven against someone as per usual, Straight away-"Typical Raven Lagger". Given, I WAS actually lagging, But that is besides the point. I mean that just went to show how lowly raven is considered on the Elsword Hierachy. I mean what is wrong with him? haha

"Lag sensitive?" As I said, It affects the Player more than it does the other guy. It is quite saddening to see possibly one of the most Versitile Character get treated so poorly.

I honestly don't know why people hate Raven so much, or actually! it might obviously not be that people hate Ravens it's the person's behind the scenes personality that people hate.

AHaha Its backwards-Dont hate the game hate the player XD

[76561198102799856]

Originally posted by El Psy Kongroo:

Originally posted by Yukio:

I honestly don't know why people hate Raven so much, or actually! it might obviously not be that people hate Ravens it's the person's behind the scenes personality that people hate.

AHaha Its backwards-Dont hate the game hate the player XD

Lol, good one.

[Star Dream]

From my personal experience, people who play Raven (especially BMs) seem to have the most obnoxious and pretentious attitudes for PvP, though that's not to say the other classes don't have that, I just see it a hell lot more often from BMs. It doesn't quite help that Raven's fairly overpowered compared half of the roster and people still try insist he takes "more skill" to play than others.

[Mons7erz]

Originally posted by YrsofEXP:

From my personal experience, people who play Raven (especially BMs) seem to have the most obnoxious and pretentious attitudes for PvP, though that's not to say the other classes don't have that, I just see it a hell lot more often from BMs. It doesn't quite help that Raven's fairly overpowered compared half of the roster and people still try insist he takes "more skill" to play than others.

Admitably, He does require skill BUT some of he's skills are faitly OP. Bloody accel for example is one of those skills. You put that with finishing slash and it just anhilates people. Perhaps Accel should not heal as much like once every second or something.
Again though there is some amount of skill in Raven players-but that is not an excuse for poor sportsmanship, I mean-Eve if its skill we're talking about, Eve players are more skilled than Raven players imo, due to the fact shes slower and her combos take much more doing.

But on another note; hasn't raven been Nerfed in the past?
Also, If you do have trouble with fighting Ravens, Get behind them, they cant do sh!t then xD

[Star Dream]

Saying he requires skill is about as accurate as saying SSBB takes skill. I mean it takes a certain amount of skill, but this game in general isn't that hard to really make "My character takes more skill than yours to play" be relevant.

It's not about some of the skills (although they do have part in it), but just how he's put together. He doesn't exactly slouch in damage output, he has more than enough normal actives to boost his damage, then top all of that with his awakening core. Beyond that, you have some pretty BS'd passives on BM and VC, high damage across the board on top of being relatively tanky in comparison to their damage output.

To my knowledge, Raven has not gotten any nerfs recently. If anything, he's gotten more buffs, especially VC (whose pretty damn overpowered and needs a nerf already)

Raven players (who are typically the ones that give me a hard time with their snobby attitudes) that wear some of the glitched costumes actually have a hitbox behind and below them. And even then, BMs have a passive that gives them a 13% chance to escape a hit from behind (and me being an EM, I can't exactly work around this since half attacks hit them from behind no matter what)

[76561198102799856]

Originally posted by YrsofEXP:

Saying he requires skill is about as accurate as saying SSBB takes skill. I mean it takes a certain amount of skill, but this game in general isn't that hard to really make "My character takes more skill than yours to play" be relevant.

It's not about some of the skills (although they do have part in it), but just how he's put together. He doesn't exactly slouch in damage output, he has more than enough normal actives to boost his damage, then top all of that with his awakening core. Beyond that, you have some pretty BS'd passives on BM and VC, high damage across the board on top of being relatively tanky in comparison to their damage output.

To my knowledge, Raven has not gotten any nerfs recently. If anything, he's gotten more buffs, especially VC (whose pretty damn overpowered and needs a nerf already)

Raven players (who are typically the ones that give me a hard time with their snobby attitudes) that wear some of the glitched costumes actually have a hitbox behind and below them. And even then, BMs have a passive that gives them a 13% chance to escape a hit from behind (and me being an EM, I can't exactly work around this since half attacks hit them from behind no matter what)

In a game like this it's not much of skill, but knowing how to use your character and mastering there combos abilities etc. it just depends on what your interested and being able to utilize what you have. Different Ravens have different complexity levels, Like for example Blade Masters in my opinion have the most complexity with the skills and basic techniques, not to mention having to learn a lot more loops. Reckless Fist is a power house just focusing on just damaging the opponent as hard as possible, probably the second most complex to me. Veteran Commander is most likely the easier one to handle due to his good amount of combos, good skills, and a few little extras (Overheat) not to mention being the only Raven with or without skills that can attack from a distance. Let's not go into Passive skills because every character has there own unique things about them and basically saying anything about them would waste some time. Just saying it's not easy being a Raven not to mention mostly being close combat oriented so, we have to give other players a hard time, we don't have teleport powers like Aisha, or Double jump skills like Rena, but just like any other character it takes work and effort.

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Originally posted by Blingie so k-k-kawaii ♥:

I hate Ravens because:

- In Arena, 90% of the people you are matched with are Ravens. I'd love to fight other classes, but Its always the raven.

- Faceroll class. No skill required. With the amount of damage he can do, facerolling and high damage output is not fun to fight.

- When is a raven nice? Not gonna lie but every raven I encounter always has an ego, just downright annoying.

The only thing I like (Love) about raven is he is sexy :Q_

1) Really you get pared up with more Ravens? Wow i'd think most people would encounter either Elesis or Ara.

2) Well, think about some of the skills and attacks Ravens have, Blade Master and Reckless Fist for people are a lot harder to handle you wouldn't imagine how many people ask how to combo/loop not to mention again there both close close combat style unless you maybe get one or two skills that can hit long range, so fighting people like, Aisha, Eve, Chung............ We are basically put at a disadvantage (I heard Veteran Commnader has an easier time since he has long ranged attacks) and compared too some of the ACTUAL overpowered skills and attacks out there Ravens aren't the real issue here.

3) I think people are started to get Raven this I don't know "Dominant senes of superiority?"
Yes, you right most are, but again some are nice, you'll find some are cool to be around.

4) Yeah......I don't like guys, so yeah.

[Star Dream]

Originally posted by Yukio:

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In a game like this it's not much of skill, but knowing how to use your character and mastering there combos abilities etc. it just depends on what your interested and being able to utilize what you have.

Some characters are more forgiving in this regard, especially in this current state of the game. I have a +10 enhancement on my EM, yet most Ravens (and by extension, Elswords, Windsneakers) do comparable damage to me, and I doubt every shmuck I'm fighting out there has a +10 of their own. There are different playstyles, but there comes to the point that sheer numbers or abilities outweigh that.

Different Ravens have different complexity levels, Like for example Blade Masters in my opinion have the most complexity with the skills and basic techniques, not to mention having to learn a lot more loops. Reckless Fist is a power house just focusing on just damaging the opponent as hard as possible, probably the second most complex to me. Veteran Commander is most likely the easier one to handle due to his good amount of combos, good skills, and a few little extras (Overheat) not to mention being the only Raven with or without skills that can attack from a distance.

The relative skill to actually play some of these characters effectively, even as far as loops is concerned, is honestly not that hard. "Not to mention having to learn a lot more loops". What loops do they actually need to use tell me? Raven's most efficent loops are ZZX, while BM has access to ZZZX >^<vX... It doesn't take skill. It takes repetition. When I think of skill, its more into reading your opponent and making smart choices on the go to catch or avoid getting caught. But in this sort of game, that's incredibly minimized because of just how much damage is going out, and how very little effort, even repetition is required to be effective. Attacking range is almost a nonissue with regards to skill, because Raven (and by extension, Elsword and Chung) have a much more flexible approaching mobility style that lets them make approaches or pull out of a defensive catch. Especially in a game where everyone (including Raven, on top of it boosting his damage to absurd levels) has awakening which is essentially a free catch.

Let's not go into Passive skills because every character has there own unique things about them and basically saying anything about them would waste some time. Just saying it's not easy being a Raven not to mention mostly being close combat oriented so, we have to give other players a hard time, we don't have teleport powers like Aisha, or Double jump skills like Rena, but just like any other character it takes work and effort.

Consider the passives, especially for PvP and PvE, because most of them are pretty damn absurd for what they do. 12% chance to reflect projectiles (certain characters rely entirely on projectiles for comboing), 13% chance to strafe if attacked from behind (some characters have combo inputs or skills that count as "hitting from behind" because of it's disjointed hitbox), 66% reduction on debuffs including stuns (which renders some skills useless and actually gives them a free catch over you, and this is especially the issue when Add comes out for us). Passives are part of the character, and should be included when you're analyzing a class based on what they are capable of.

And read what I said above for his mobility. Rena and Aisha (who have double jump and teleport respectively, since you mentioned that) are not capable of being that sort of movement in the air. They can't change their momentum after jumping without sacrificing speed (and at that point, they're incredibly vulnerable). Their only options would be to teleport (which costs mana, on top of it being predictable because its static on where your landing location is AND it has no safe frames upon landing) or to quick drop with a stomp to minimize air time. Hell, melee and even Aisha can high jump for the most part to gain the same elevation as Rena's Double jump...

The PvE in this game isn't even hard, just tedious at its worse. Everyone gets access to powerful skills pretty early in the game and easily mows down mobs, Raven being capable of using his awakening core even at level 1 (which starts out slow at first without awakening charge, but thats easily solvable with sockets).

1) Really you get pared up with more Ravens? Wow i'd think most people would encounter either Elesis or Ara.
"High bracket PvP" is saturated Elswords and Ravens. I only occasionally see EMs and windsneakers.


2) Well, think about some of the skills and attacks Ravens have, Blade Master and Reckless Fist for people are a lot harder to handle you wouldn't imagine how many people ask how to combo/loop not to mention again there both close close combat style unless you maybe get one or two skills that can hit long range, so fighting people like, Aisha, Eve, Chung............ We are basically put at a disadvantage (I heard Veteran Commnader has an easier time since he has long ranged attacks) and compared too some of the ACTUAL overpowered skills and attacks out there Ravens aren't the real issue here.
Go ahead and name some "actual overpowered skills". Raven has access to a decent chunk of them which are pretty damn overpowered in what they can do, alongside his overall moveset and passives (and you mentioned that you don't count those, but honestly you should because it's pretty overpowered, if not gamebreaking in some aspects). The classes who'd give him a run for his money in this regard are RS and WS... which honestly isn't saying much because they themselves are overpowered as well


3) I think people are started to get Raven this I don't know "Dominant senes of superiority?"
Yes, you right most are, but again some are nice, you'll find some are cool to be around.
Even if they're nice on the front, those same ravens are...i can't find a nice way to word it, so I'll call them "doughnuts". They have some twisted sense of hypocrisy and superiority which just leads to the big problem of corruption and toxicity in the community. Not calling out names, but when you've been around the community as long as I have and see both ends of it, it's enough to push you away how people can be so conceited, hypocritical and circlejerky of each other.

[Hawkstein]

Originally posted by NotMyREALACCT:

cuz he is a 27 years old MALE!? No one likes grandpa!!! XD I know that elf girl and techno queen is centries old but they LOOK and FEEL very young so it doesn't count.

Still, her hëntai pics/arts are the best, specially at 4chän.

...I know someone who has got a bewb-mousepad of Rena.