Lethal Poison Frustration

[Brooks]

I dislike the way they have implemented the lethal poison into the Paris mission...

As far as I can tell the only way to obtain the lethal poison is by meeting with Dalia as Kruger. So in order to complete the two poison related challenges you are forced to follow the Kruger line of events, which I feel slightly impacts the sandbox aspect.

Some form of lethal poison should have been issued as an unlockable item, you unlock sedative (which I have not actually used at all so far), so surely this lethal poison could have been given as an unlock too?

Either that or the lethal poison should be present in her room regardless of whether you did all the Kruger stuff or not. I don't like the idea of having to follow that one specific chain of events multiple times just to obtain the poison.

Maybe having access to the poison from the start of the mission would have made it too easy, but its not like killing with poison is going to give you access to higher scores because people are going to find the bodies (I can't see lethal poison kills counting as accidents).

I love the game regardless, this just seems like a little bit of an oversight.

[Diogenes]

I am not 100% certain on this, but I seem to recal more poison being made available via mastery levels.

I am not sure if it is lethal poison, or not though.

As regards finding the bodies, only Viktors would be found, if you use poison, since you can dump Diala in a closet, and leave her there to rot, unless you kill more people, that is, like Helmut, for example.

[Cartoonhead]

I've heard others say this, but for some reason i have a lethal syringe as a loadout option. Not sure if I unlocked it, or was part of pre-order but it's there.

[Rage On Luxer | ӨПӨ NO HONOR]

You have mani ways to poison them, you are not forced to dressup as Kruger, just when Victor goes to the kitchen if u listen he said he made some food and drinks came from london, in that moment you can poison the food in te kitchen and will be fine,but he is not going to eat it in that momento you will have to wait.

The difficult thing is that you can poison almost every drink or food in the stage, you have to choose a good one looking at him and what he's going to do. By the way if u dress up ad Kruger you will force them to drink with you so it's easier but is not the only way, i killed many innocents to try to kill viktor using the poison and still trying XD

By the way want to ask something about Kruger opportunity, after i get his dress the mission says to make a call, but how ? how can i use Kruger cell phone? i did not understand

[Rogue]

Originally posted by BB-ITA Luxer:

You have mani ways to poison them, you are not forced to dressup as Kruger, just when Victor goes to the kitchen if u listen he said he made some food and drinks came from london, in that moment you can poison the food in te kitchen and will be fine,but he is not going to eat it in that momento you will have to wait.

The difficult thing is that you can poison almost every drink or food in the stage, you have to choose a good one looking at him and what he's going to do. By the way if u dress up ad Kruger you will force them to drink with you so it's easier but is not the only way, i killed many innocents to try to kill viktor using the poison and still trying XD

By the way want to ask something about Kruger opportunity, after i get his dress the mission says to make a call, but how ? how can i use Kruger cell phone? i did not understand

Check the ground where you knock him out, the phone is there.

[Diogenes]

Originally posted by BB-ITA Luxer:

The difficult thing is that you can poison almost every drink or food in the stage, you have to choose a good one looking at him and what he's going to do. By the way if u dress up ad Kruger you will force them to drink with you so it's easier but is not the only way, i killed many innocents to try to kill viktor using the poison and still trying XD

You have to get the "Bare Knuckle Boxer" recipee, in the basement, and then go to the bar, next to the cat walk. Viktor drinks from one of the specific glasses, on that long table, and only drinks that specific drink, from that specific cup. You will have to use a waiters uniform to access that area.

Also, you can find none lethal poison, in the basement, where the recipee is, instead of lethal poison. If you use none lethal poison, he will run to the bath room, where you can club him to death.

[what⑨Bullet]

Yeah it's annoying as its used for challenges Knockout Punch and To Your Good Health. Tip for those that haven't done it, save just after you receive the leathal poison from Dalia and then procced to do one of the challeneges and complete the mission as normal. After you have unlocked the challenge, reload that save and do the other one to save time.

Originally posted by Cadderley:

I am not 100% certain on this, but I seem to recal more poison being made available via mastery levels.

I am not sure if it is lethal poison, or not though.

At the moment the leathal poison you get from planning only counts for the feat Tasteless, Traceless.

[Brooks]

Originally posted by Cartoonhead:

I've heard others say this, but for some reason i have a lethal syringe as a loadout option. Not sure if I unlocked it, or was part of pre-order but it's there.

I have unlocked the lethal syringe, but it can't be used to poison drinks as far as I can tell (at least not in the same way you did it in Blood Money), it was one of the first things I tried.

[Cartoonhead]

Originally posted by Brooks:

I have unlocked the lethal syringe, but it can't be used to poison drinks as far as I can tell (at least not in the same way you did it in Blood Money), it was one of the first things I tried.

Ah ok then, that makes sense, haven't tried using it on food/drink but assumed it would be possible. Bit of a shame that.

[Castelgard]

Does anyone know if killing them with the poison syringe is valid for the poison challenges? Or are the cyanide capsules the only way?

[Brooks]

Originally posted by Alex:

Does anyone know if killing them with the poison syringe is valid for the poison challenges? Or are the cyanide capsules the only way?

For Knockout Punch you need to poison the cocktail, there is no way you can do that with the syringe.
To Your Good Health only says to poison Dalia, but I tried killing her with the syringe and it didn't complete the challenge.

So yes, it appears you can only use the capsules.

[Whitman]

In their defense, it would absolutely break the game with how they chose to make it. Both targets drink from a glass and the NPC's react as if the person just dropped dead. So it is a clean accident kill. If you can just be given the poison, it would be insanely easy to get Silent Assassin, possibly even Suit Only Silent Assassin. (I can think of one way to do it with Dalia atleast.)
As far as the syringe goes, like I said, it would be way too easy to drug drinks with it. In blood money, only like 3 targets would drink from anything so it was balanced.

[Method Man]

You can unlock a "sedative" posion which knocks people out. i can gaurentee that you will be able to unlock more things when more missions come out

[Peek]

Originally posted by Brooks:

I love the game regardless, this just seems like a little bit of an oversight.

I don't think it's an oversight, it's more to balance the game, especially the different assassination challenges.

[Walter Matthau]

I'm not really seeing the benefit of the lethal syringe, or sedative for that matter. It seems you can only use it in a sneak from behind attack, and you have so many other options for that already, why use the inventory?

[V.4.7™]

I believe lethal syringe is intended to poison target by attack from behind and/or by injection to the food/drink.
If it can't be used on food/drink it might be a bug.