Denuvo?

[Hams]

will this game use it? I'd like to know before I decide to purchase.

[steven777]

Safedisc was emulated never unencypted. It's also been disallowed on Windows 10 by Microsoft because frankly it is crap and considered a security risk.

The bypass method is indeed the only viable way. But take Mad Max for example. How many releases for that game did pirates put out. Only 1, it is version 1.01.1 the first release. Then they gave up. Mad Max is up to at least patch 4 now. And that bypass is history, closed down in the new version of Denuvo.

Take a slightly older game like Far Cry 4, there was a new pirate release for every one of it's seven odd patches within a day. This simply is not going to happen anymore.

Project Cars is up to Patch 10. In the future pirates will be stuck on the day one release maybe if their lucky. And they will have to wait possibly months for that inferior version.

[portiaevl]

safedisc emulated never unencrypted? you're talking rubbish.. look at the cracks by fairlight, gimpsrus, razor1911, immersion... they're decrypted, and the protection stripped.. so seriously, stop talking about things you clearly have no clue about.. as for disallowed on windows 10, i think you'll find thats because of the secdrv.sys insecurities, which wasnt actually always used..

bypass the only viable way.. nope.. the other ways take time, and most crackers wouldnt put the effort into titles that arent worth it (mad max wasnt exactly spectacular)..

nothing is uncrackable, it just takes time and effort

so how about the discussion continues and you dont make up stuff ?

[portiaevl]

safedisc emulated never unencrypted? you're talking rubbish.. look at the cracks by fairlight, gimpsrus, razor1911, immersion... they're decrypted, and the protection stripped.. so seriously, stop talking about things you clearly have no clue about.. as for disallowed on windows 10, i think you'll find thats because of the secdrv.sys insecurities, which wasnt actually always used..

bypass the only viable way.. nope.. the other ways take time, and most crackers wouldnt put the effort into titles that arent worth it (mad max wasnt exactly spectacular)..

nothing is uncrackable, it just takes time and effort

so how about the discussion continues and you dont make up stuff ?

[Defalt]

Originally posted by steven777:

Originally posted by ᅚᅚ ᅚᅚ:

There is no evidence to suggest that Piracy hurts sales.

Really?, here's some evidence.......I bought this game. Looks like Denuvo helps sales.

Delusional children or broke people are dreaming about Piracy not affecting sales.

Alot of people have high disposable incomes and still pirate games out of habit. These habits are now changing.

Hate Denuvo? Well get used to it because multiple key 64bit encyption linked to your PC's hardware is no joke.

A possible 18,500,000,000,000,000,000 combination's just to crack one 64bit key. Pure maths has killed Piracy.

A 64bit key is considered safe from anything but a Governmental attack. So unless 3DM is actually the NSA you can keep waiting forever to pirate this game.

thats not evidence that piracy hurts sales

you most likely planned to buy this game anyway judging how you talk down about piracy in general

that is a sale confirmed in your mind already

that is not evidence just because you bought a game.... despite all the statistics you spout about how hard it will be to crack

[steven777]

So Mad Max one of the best selling, received and reviewed games wanted by hundreds of thousands of people just wasn''t worth the effort to crack patch 2, 3 or 4. Sure I'm convinced.

Considering that every game ever made before Denuvo has been cracked. But as you say crackers don't waste their time on titles that aren't worth it.

Guess Hitman, Just Cause 3, ROTTR even Unravel just aren't worth it. No one wants them.

You say time and effort is all you need, exactly how long are you predicting?

And to Soundwave I have 39 games on Steam, you have 577 and you think I'm talking down about piracy. I think you may have misunderstood my comments.

[portiaevl]

im not predicting anything, nor am i making up nonsense information, i notice how you totally dodged the safedisc claims you made, and the 64 bit key stuff too.. well done, and denuvo has been cracked so your 'considering that every game ever made before denuvo has been cracked' is also a rediculous meaningless statement.. seriously, do some research and stop talking rubbish

[E-71]

Originally posted by goka9696:

Originally posted by E71:

Will someone tell me where in the EULA it says this?

I had a look at the following link and a quick Ctrl+F doesn't highlight any mentions of Denuvo...:
http://store.steampowered.com/eula/236870_eula_0?eulaLang=english

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo

Thanks for the link, but that was the "HITMAN (2016) BETA TRIAL AGREEMENT". The current EULA for the final product makes no mention of it... Could it mean they've decided to remove it before launch or just neglect to mention it in the final EULA? Are they even allowed to do that?

Originally posted by steven777:

Originally posted by ᅚᅚ ᅚᅚ:

There is no evidence to suggest that Piracy hurts sales.

Really?, here's some evidence.......I bought this game. Looks like Denuvo helps sales.

That doesn't really mean much, because in my case, I won't be buying if it really is protected by Denuvo... so yeah, DRM can also have a negative impact on sales.

As for piracy, it can hurt sales, but really only when the pirate copies reveal to players how buggy/terrible the game really is. Look at The Witcher 3 -- no DRM, yet killed it in sales, even received several awards too. DRM has become a good way of ensuring poor titles sell better.

Also, not 100% relevant but you mention 3DM like they're the gods of software cracking. If I recall, their method of cracking Denuvo was rather crude and required help from the community (sending them info on hardware config combinations), whereas scene groups crack them the proper way, but I digress.

Anyway... if we just give into DRM, like you are telling us to, we're relinquishing more of our rights. It's bad enough that our games are all bound to Steam/Origin/UPlay accounts and any temporary/permanent downtime of the aforementioned services could disrupt our gaming experience, we now have to worry about protection systems also interfering?

It's a dangerous path to follow. It will only lead us to the point where all games are streamed and we don't even have access to the files to backup saves, mod the files, cheat (locally, of course) using trainers, etc.

[steven777]

Your right Mods are what will suffer and that will be huge loss for PC gaming.

Publishers want to move to a games as a service model not finished day one releases.
And games being streamed probably will become a reality at some point.

[Prudis06]

Originally posted by steven777:

Your right Mods are what will suffer and that will be huge loss for PC gaming.

Publishers want to move to a games as a service model not finished day one releases.
And games being streamed probably will become a reality at some point.

good thing is I gathered backog so big tha even if the gaming went full online-only streaming today , i will have stuff to play till pension

[Rahaan]

it's one of the worst anti-piracy methods i've seen in a while.
It ruins the game for people with bad internet or something.

i mean, i dosconnect due to my location and that's utter bull-crap.

[James]

Originally posted by GrandTheftAutoFive:

it's one of the worst anti-piracy methods i've seen in a while.
It ruins the game for people with bad internet or something.

i mean, i dosconnect due to my location and that's utter bull-crap.

I don't think denuvo is the one requiring always on internet connection.

[portiaevl]

thats not denuvo, thats sqeenix online stuff...