Why is Burgundy so OP?

[4 Sale]

Seriously, they're able to kick France's ass by themselves, and can get more men, even with less than 1/3 of the development of France. It's so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dumb.

[DeadRabbit]

Because they're not supposed to be around, Burgundian Inheritence is supposed to trigger, getting rid of them

[billy]

errr Burgundy are nothing compared to France , France is way more powerful. I think you are raging and talking nonsense :)

[4 Sale]

Originally posted by billy:

errr Burgundy are nothing compared to France , France is way more powerful. I think you are raging and talking nonsense :)

Really? If I go into debt and 2x over my force limit as France, I still will only have 2/3 of their army, and that’s if they don’t have any allies. Have you played the game?

[Old Man Chimere]

The Burgundian inheritance is a succession issue, meaning that if they had no direct legal heir to the throne, they are swiss cheese. It is not an automatic event unless they absolutely have no heir or even with a female heir. Aswell it is likely that Burgundian ai are using their extreme wealth and loans to buy up mercenaries to send on death charges, and the Dutch vassals aswell as junior partners in the union have high value provinces to support itself.
I personally think that during the war that the ai even disbands mercenaries and possibly hires new regiments in order to avoid the costs to resupply while running heavy loans.

[billy]

Originally posted by Bootsy69407:

Originally posted by billy:

errr Burgundy are nothing compared to France , France is way more powerful. I think you are raging and talking nonsense :)

Really? If I go into debt and 2x over my force limit as France, I still will only have 2/3 of their army, and that’s if they don’t have any allies. Have you played the game?

yes i have pummeled burgundy many times , there army is poor compared to france once you get going , its smaller and of inferior quality , plus you should have better allies. Burgundy is someone you defeat before you fight a proper opponent. Plus france richer than burgundy. You should have better generals as well. There is no way France should lose to Burgundy . Maybe if some bad luck has happened but thats part of the game. I assume most people struggle in the odd game with things going wrong.

The French AI destoys Burgundy in almost every single game. I have never in 500 hours seen Burgundy even as a great nation , They are certainly not a top nation at all. They are someone who's land you steal to help you beat the more powerful nations.

[Tethryss]

What are you smoking?
Burgundy is incredibly vulnerable to the might of France and the H.R.E Emperor (Austria) who often have far greater alliances and militaries. Burgundy's ONLY saving grace is it starts out with subjects and their generals plus your own enables potential high reward in the hands of a player but the A.I is too dumb to utilize this.

Tip as Burgundy: Set all vassals to attach to your army and invade france shortly after its war with england when its manpower is recovering and its generals have potentially been knocked out of the game. Use your superior amount of generals and set your units to offensive (Halberd and latin knights or whatever the cavalry is called, playing Russia right now) and dump your army on his, keeping some spare units out of the fight to reinforce your army during the battle.

Note: Your combat width is only 20 in the beginning of the game, so 16 infantry 4 cavalry is as far as I have found the best potential arrangement for the early game.

[4 Sale]

Originally posted by billy:

Originally posted by Bootsy69407:

Really? If I go into debt and 2x over my force limit as France, I still will only have 2/3 of their army, and that’s if they don’t have any allies. Have you played the game?

yes i have pummeled burgundy many times , there army is poor compared to france once you get going , its smaller and of inferior quality , plus you should have better allies. Burgundy is someone you defeat before you fight a proper opponent. Plus france richer than burgundy. You should have better generals as well. There is no way France should lose to Burgundy . Maybe if some bad luck has happened but thats part of the game. I assume most people struggle in the odd game with things going wrong.

The French AI destoys Burgundy in almost every single game. I have never in 500 hours seen Burgundy even as a great nation , They are certainly not a top nation at all. They are someone who's land you steal to help you beat the more powerful nations.

Don’t know what ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game you’ve been playing. Even when I had 60 out of a 50 force limit the Burgundians pummel me, even when I have Castile or Aragon and some vassals on my side. They always either outnumber me or they deathstack and completely ruin my manpower and existing army to the point that I am purely defensive, not to mention there’s a high likelihood that they will immediately surprise you if you EVER are in a weak position. Went to war with Austria and the HRE? After you win and have maybe 10k men in the field with next to no manpower the Burgundians will pop out and pummel you with their perfect manpower, immense wealth, puppets, and 75k men. That’s without powerful allies. It’s absolutely ridiculous, and my men got completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ shrekt everytime, 3 times in a row.

[billy]

Originally posted by Bootsy69407:

Originally posted by billy:

yes i have pummeled burgundy many times , there army is poor compared to france once you get going , its smaller and of inferior quality , plus you should have better allies. Burgundy is someone you defeat before you fight a proper opponent. Plus france richer than burgundy. You should have better generals as well. There is no way France should lose to Burgundy . Maybe if some bad luck has happened but thats part of the game. I assume most people struggle in the odd game with things going wrong.

The French AI destoys Burgundy in almost every single game. I have never in 500 hours seen Burgundy even as a great nation , They are certainly not a top nation at all. They are someone who's land you steal to help you beat the more powerful nations.

Don’t know what ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game you’ve been playing. Even when I had 60 out of a 50 force limit the Burgundians pummel me, even when I have Castile or Aragon and some vassals on my side. They always either outnumber me or they deathstack and completely ruin my manpower and existing army to the point that I am purely defensive, not to mention there’s a high likelihood that they will immediately surprise you if you EVER are in a weak position. Went to war with Austria and the HRE? After you win and have maybe 10k men in the field with next to no manpower the Burgundians will pop out and pummel you with their perfect manpower, immense wealth, puppets, and 75k men. That’s without powerful allies. It’s absolutely ridiculous, and my men got completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ shrekt everytime, 3 times in a row.

i dont know if your trolling or your dellusional . Burgundy are a mid tier weak nation France crushes on its way to a fight. France are one of the most powerful nations in the game.

Something has gone horribly wrong if you are France and you cant crush Burgundy. If you get the +20% morale idea France troops walk over Burgundy's like a steamroller.

Not sure how experienced you are with the game but you must have had a horrible start for things to escalate the way they have . I'm guessing you fought some bad battles and lost lots of manpower and picked bad wars to fight. I personally would kick england out of France first and take brittany if its convenient and the attak Burgubdy and take the lands the HRE doesnt care about.

Dont provoke the HRE at the start. And fight smart , attack them when they fight someone else .

Apart from set events the AI will never ever attack you if your army is bigger , thats why quantity is OP in single player against the AI , you get to pick all the wars you fight.

Burgundy are also warmongers , they always start fights and ♥♥♥♥ themselves , take advantage

[Zornvel]

I absolutely agree with you there were some overpowered nations, last time I played Ming, and suddenly I sow an Serbian fleet with over 240 ships in th year 1477, they drop of a 200 k army, I think some of them even had machine guns. I can fight them even as I got 9000% over my forcelimit, I found a magic ring so I could afford to pay my troops and manpower was not a problem becaus I also use women in the army.
But in the end I lost... It was very hard

[Khorps]

Originally posted by Zornvel:

I absolutely agree with you there were some overpowered nations, last time I played Ming, and suddenly I sow an Serbian fleet with over 240 ships in th year 1477, they drop of a 200 k army, I think some of them even had machine guns. I can fight them even as I got 9000% over my forcelimit, I found a magic ring so I could afford to pay my troops and manpower was not a problem becaus I also use women in the army.
But in the end I lost... It was very hard

you had women in your army? dude I hear women are OP

[Mr.M]

Burgundy can only kill France if they mess up pretty hard or early game since they have more troops due to their vassals.

As soon as France gets its cores from England back its gg for Burgundy.

[mitchincredible]

Originally posted by Bootsy69407:

Seriously, they're able to kick France's♥♥♥♥♥by themselves, and can get more men, even with less than 1/3 of the development of France. It's so ♥♥♥♥ing dumb.

Burgundy in player hands is still quite a challenge if you lose your opportunity against early game France. That being said, you can pull close ones by easily getting Castile and Austria as allies and just barely making warscore on France.

I just started a new Burgundy game, took Caux and Calais from England during the Maine event getting them into war with France. France AI was being petty though and held on to their war until they had the score for Caen. It's okay though, I'm probably going to wait for an opening on Liege and Provence...

[tonypa]

I still have not finished my first 1.25 game. Playing as Burgundy and have been first for long time already. Both Burgundy and France are playable if yo do not attempt to brute-force solo through everyone around you. Get some allies, wait for enemy to be dragged into multiple wars.

As Burgundy, Maine event is great chance to hit either England or France, or both if you are quick and enemies have no allies. Get Austria and Castile to join in for easier war. Use the Mercs, as money should not be an issue.

Not sure about AI Burgundy, they really never survived long enough in previous versions.