Converting to judaism

[Brick Slayer]

So, a couple of hours ago I was playing as Ethiopia and I noticed there were (for some reason) some jewish provinces in my country. I'm not sure about the historical context of this, but given the fact you can convert the state religion of a country, would it be possible to switch into Judaism as well? I knew that there are jewish advisors in this game, but not that there was an actual way to switch into that religion. Could make for some controversial gameplay if you convert something like the ottomans or mamluks into Judaism

[Infinity]

Judaism is a MEME religion, its pretty bad, comparable to animist or zoroastrian.

You can get convert by spawing zelots, simply place a missionary at no maintenance and watch that it doesnt convert the province.
The unrest will cause jew rebels that, when they siege your land, will convert it to judaism, after 50% of your country is jew, you can accept the demands and lose the amazing coptic for the MEME potential of judaism.

[Brick Slayer]

It's a shame, isn't it? Just think about it, the meme potential of playing as a jewish country could be huge. Plus, maybe it could contribute to roleplay or something when you are playing as a jewish Jerusalem.

I'm not sure if this is still true, but I once heard that rebels (be it peasents, seperatists, zealots etc) can cross bodies of water, so they will actually still pose a threat if they are on a seperated piece of land. Thus, would it be possible in theory to play as the United States, attack Ethiopia, take their jewish provinces from them, try to convert them, and then literally have the zealots cross the entire african desert and the atlantic, just to occupy the USA mainland?
Say what you want, but jewish United States would just be the best thing reddit has ever seen.

[Server Jester]

Originally posted by Angola é nossa:

It's a shame, isn't it? Just think about it, the meme potential of playing as a jewish country could be huge. Plus, maybe it could contribute to roleplay or something when you are playing as a jewish Jerusalem.

I'm not sure if this is still true, but I once heard that rebels (be it peasents, seperatists, zealots etc) can cross bodies of water, so they will actually still pose a threat if they are on a seperated piece of land. Thus, would it be possible in theory to play as the United States, attack Ethiopia, take their jewish provinces from them, try to convert them, and then literally have the zealots cross the entire african desert and the atlantic, just to occupy the USA mainland?
Say what you want, but jewish United States would just be the best thing reddit has ever seen.

i think the jewish provinces only exist at 1444, same with zoroastrian

[Brick Slayer]

Originally posted by Muskovy:

i think the jewish provinces only exist at 1444, same with zoroastrian

This may be true, but think about it that way: You could play in multiplayer with someone, playing something like England and then releasing the United States to continue as them. Meanwhile the guy you play with could pick Ethiopia, just so there is no AI converting the jewish provinces to something else. Obviously, Murica is gonna declare war on Ethiopia, taking at least one of their jew provinces and then spawning zealots, who will make the US jewish, just like in real life. Even if the zealots can't cross the entire atlantic on their imaginary boats, the USA player could still make an effort to conquer enough land in Africa for the jews to reach so they will jew over the majority of their country. Wouldn't that work?

[Server Jester]

Originally posted by Angola é nossa:

Originally posted by Muskovy:

i think the jewish provinces only exist at 1444, same with zoroastrian

This may be true, but think about it that way: You could play in multiplayer with someone, playing something like England and then releasing the United States to continue as them. Meanwhile the guy you play with could pick Ethiopia, just so there is no AI converting the jewish provinces to something else. Obviously, Murica is gonna declare war on Ethiopia, taking at least one of their jew provinces and then spawning zealots, who will make the US jewish, just like in real life. Even if the zealots can't cross the entire atlantic on their imaginary boats, the USA player could still make an effort to conquer enough land in Africa for the jews to reach so they will jew over the majority of their country. Wouldn't that work?

what I mean is, if you start at the date USA exists in eu4, there wont be a jew province anymore.
Atleast I think, lemme go check

[Server Jester]

Originally posted by Muskovy:

Originally posted by Angola é nossa:

This may be true, but think about it that way: You could play in multiplayer with someone, playing something like England and then releasing the United States to continue as them. Meanwhile the guy you play with could pick Ethiopia, just so there is no AI converting the jewish provinces to something else. Obviously, Murica is gonna declare war on Ethiopia, taking at least one of their jew provinces and then spawning zealots, who will make the US jewish, just like in real life. Even if the zealots can't cross the entire atlantic on their imaginary boats, the USA player could still make an effort to conquer enough land in Africa for the jews to reach so they will jew over the majority of their country. Wouldn't that work?

what I mean is, if you start at the date USA exists in eu4, there wont be a jew province anymore.
Atleast I think, lemme go check

Just checked, semien and that other province are still jewish, so yes you can do your thing

[Brick Slayer]

I'm not talking about the 1776 start date. There is a specific strategy that can be used to form the USA in the 1444 bookmark by using colonization. Incidentally, the country forming and then playing as the USA doesn't even have to be England or the UK

https://youtu.be/_-Z3R7hxyWc

[Server Jester]

Originally posted by Angola é nossa:

I'm not talking about the 1776 start date. There is a specific strategy that can be used to form the USA in the 1444 bookmark by using colonization. Incidentally, the country forming and then playing as the USA doesn't even have to be England or the UK

https://youtu.be/_-Z3R7hxyWc

ah, well if you want it to be quick, then 1776 start date still has those 2 jew provinces....jewish.
Though it would be fine if you could do it at 1444, but maybe boring for the other guy unless he adopts judaism and goes on a african mass conquest

[kronos]

make all goyim culture the same

promote jewish heritage

demote goyim culture

[Khorps]

it's unknown exactly how they came to be Jewish but quoting from Wikipedia

By 1994 modern scholars of Ethiopian history and Ethiopian Jews generally supported one of two conflicting hypotheses for the origin of the Beta Israel, as outlined by Kaplan:

• An ancient Jewish origin, together with conservation of some ancient Jewish traditions by the Ethiopian Church. Kaplan identifies Simon D. Messing, David Shlush, Michael Corinaldi, Menachem Waldman, Menachem Elon and David Kessler as supporters of this hypothesis.
  
  
• A late ethnogenesis of the Beta Israel between the 14th to 16th centuries, from a sect of Ethiopian Christians who took on Biblical Old Testament practices, and came to identify as Jews. Steven Kaplan supports this hypothesis, and lists with him G. J. Abbink, Kay K. Shelemay, Taddesse Tamrat and James A. Quirin. Quirin differs from his fellow researchers in the weight he assigns to an ancient Jewish element which the Beta Israel have conserved.

[piddyx]

Just create a custom Jewish nation with cores in New York and Miami already.

[kNoWlEdGe22]

I can't speak to the gameplay aspect - but if you're interested in the real-world historical, religious, cultural condition of the individuals you've mentioned in Ethiopia - this is a decent synopsis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel

[Spude]

Bonuses for Judaism and Zoroastrianism should be switched.

[Server Jester]

Originally posted by 0 stress:

make all goyim culture the same

promote jewish heritage

demote goyim culture

Originally posted by piddyx:

Just create a custom Jewish nation with cores in New York and Miami already.

BAD GOYIM
BAD

[Brick Slayer]

I just want judaism to be a viable religion in EU4 so I can kill my foes by throwing shekels at them.