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Claudius Aetius 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 5:57
How can we defeat the Ottoman Empire?
Hi all

Perhaps such question was asked many times before, but I really want to know how can we create a huge alliance against the Ottomans. At least in my games, they are like a cancer. Their army is huge and they spread far beyond the historical boundaries.

At some point in the game, they become so advaced in ADM/DIP/MIL powers and number of soldiers that it is virtually impossible to defeat them without a huge alliance!

So, first: can we as human players create an alliance against them? It is possible to lure even our most powerful enemies to it? Perhaps call out a Cruzade? Dinossaurs? Aliens?

Thanks any tips!
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Belgian Problem 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 5:59 
Of course it's possible to defeat the Ottosoys. Do what you do for any other nations that are more powerful than you. Use everything you can to your advantage.

Usually the Ottomans either have to be taken out early to prevent blobbing, or later when you can either get a number of great powers on your side or when they fall behind in tech or otherwise start to stagnate.
IndirectHero 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 6:16 
It is best to try to defeat the Ottomans right away, especially by preventing Otto from getting Constantine as a capital because that will give them the Empire rank which you don't want them too. Normally you can ally anyone that is rival with Ottomans. Usually you can get Hungary, Poland/Lith, Austria, Mamluks, and others that will help out.

As in my Mamluks game, I was able to win 1vs1 against Ottomans. What I did was diplo vassal a couple of nations and then I declared war against the Ottomans. My vassals and I were enough to overwhelm the Ottomans on land and sea.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1399024547

This is my screenshot of the Ottomans being completely overwhelmed :)
Sir PenisBone The Third 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 6:23 
LOL you mad
Trash 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 6:33 
I suggest that you don't fight them if they have already annexed Byzantium. Janissary bonus will kill you coupled with them controlling Constantinople, will allow them to field mercs to easily replace loses.

Anatolian tech is easily outgunned by western tech by mid-late game. If you're not western, military ideas are needed.
tonypa 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 8:13 
In my Timmy >> Mughals game they died off to AI enemies:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1404907465
I know it is rare they lose this way, but it can happen.
最後修改者:tonypa; 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 9:15
Infinity 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 8:21 
Who are you thinking of playing? Mamnlucks can win 1v1 at start date, Karaman can win with just the mamlucks as ally, Albania can win with Venice trade league and Hungary.
Mid-late game you can solo them if you are large enough.
Rabob 2018 年 6 月 26 日 上午 8:23 
Whenever they fight Albania, who is allied to Venice + trade league. That is usually a good time to attack.

Or if you want to be really aggressive as say England, Austria, Castille -> No CB Byzantium and vassalize them -> Get good allies and just wait for them to attack or attack them when they are weak :)

Preferably also vassalize/annex oter expansions for the ottomans (Serbia, Wallachia, Karaman, etc)
Claudius Aetius 2018 年 6 月 26 日 下午 12:06 
Thank you guys! I was playing Austria, but the Holy Roman Empire is mostly made of Teeny-weeny nations. I had Polony (huge), Bohemia (kinda huge) and England (huge) as allies, but it is not enough!

I've waited too long and now the Ottomans are on the verge of war against me...
suarezsa 2018 年 6 月 26 日 下午 12:53 
I find it easy, to make your navy stronger! If you play as Byzantium, then you should fight the knights before venice attacks. Move your capital there, and then the ottomans will try to land there. If you hit their navy, you can trap the troops on the province, and siege down what you want. Keep doing this strategy you can beat them, and eventually once they are defeated you should expand into serbia, and then into italy. There is a good strategy!
Cosimo de'Medici 2018 年 6 月 27 日 上午 5:30 
Take Mamluks Their army is bigger than Ottomans in starting of the game Make Alliance with Karaman and Conquest Dulkadir fastly
At this time Ottos in war against Albania+Venice It's time to declare war against Ottomans you can beat them easily
Omniconda 2018 年 6 月 27 日 上午 8:10 
引用自 scaletho
Thank you guys! I was playing Austria, but the Holy Roman Empire is mostly made of Teeny-weeny nations. I had Polony (huge), Bohemia (kinda huge) and England (huge) as allies, but it is not enough!

I've waited too long and now the Ottomans are on the verge of war against me...


as Austria i find you can No CB Byzan asap declare within teh first 3 months they should only have servia as an ally and by then you can have hungry and bohemia or brandenburg alliances (you dont need then to help in this war they are backup.)
Improve relations with mamluks as much as possible from game start they wont ally you yet but we can send money when we need them.

3 things can happen

peace Serbia out for cash asap and vassel Byzan this gives you a CB on the ottomans to return thier cores, get a dip rep advisor and push the alliance with Mamluks they should join an offensive war if you offer them land...... wait for Otto to declare on Albania or Candar then start your reconquest - take a bulgarian core in teh peace as a new vasssel or just feed Byzan and come back for more later

peace Serbia Otto declare on Byzan before you finish the war, Vassel Byzan and get called into the defensive war. Call in your allies and smash them returning cores and a little extra.
they should get smashed by the combined armies that Genoa/the knights and Mamluks all decide to jump in too.

Peace out Serbia and Venice jumps on Byzan then as above vassel Byzan and kill venice in a defense war taking land needed for Shadow kingdom. then ally mamluks and kill ottomans.


they should never be a bother in Europe again after that. and if you can combine with stealing Naples from Aragon a few years later its soem nice land to add to the HRE
g_mod23 2018 年 8 月 23 日 上午 5:36 
引用自 Omnious
引用自 scaletho
Thank you guys! I was playing Austria, but the Holy Roman Empire is mostly made of Teeny-weeny nations. I had Polony (huge), Bohemia (kinda huge) and England (huge) as allies, but it is not enough!

I've waited too long and now the Ottomans are on the verge of war against me...


as Austria i find you can No CB Byzan asap declare within teh first 3 months they should only have servia as an ally and by then you can have hungry and bohemia or brandenburg alliances (you dont need then to help in this war they are backup.)
Improve relations with mamluks as much as possible from game start they wont ally you yet but we can send money when we need them.

3 things can happen

peace Serbia out for cash asap and vassel Byzan this gives you a CB on the ottomans to return thier cores, get a dip rep advisor and push the alliance with Mamluks they should join an offensive war if you offer them land...... wait for Otto to declare on Albania or Candar then start your reconquest - take a bulgarian core in teh peace as a new vasssel or just feed Byzan and come back for more later

peace Serbia Otto declare on Byzan before you finish the war, Vassel Byzan and get called into the defensive war. Call in your allies and smash them returning cores and a little extra.
they should get smashed by the combined armies that Genoa/the knights and Mamluks all decide to jump in too.

Peace out Serbia and Venice jumps on Byzan then as above vassel Byzan and kill venice in a defense war taking land needed for Shadow kingdom. then ally mamluks and kill ottomans.


they should never be a bother in Europe again after that. and if you can combine with stealing Naples from Aragon a few years later its soem nice land to add to the HRE

I like to do similar by no-CB war Serbia inside 3 months, tick boxes for Bosnia & Byz. Vassalise Bos & Byz, take all Serbian Land. Once completed, Otto should be fighting Albania. Hope he has split the armies up and take out the one seiging Albania. Siege Everything else but Edi slowly, making sure he doesn't cross the straight. Peace out with Koc included with the cores.


IF you really want to take Austria to next level later in the game, Cultural switch to either Venetian (Italy) OR Croatian / Greek, form said country. Once you switch, you lose the HIstoric Rivalry with France.... PU of France makes life much easier.
Rabob 2018 年 8 月 23 日 上午 5:57 
引用自 g_mod23

IF you really want to take Austria to next level later in the game, Cultural switch to either Venetian (Italy) OR Croatian / Greek, form said country. Once you switch, you lose the HIstoric Rivalry with France.... PU of France makes life much easier.

You would lose German culture (which helps with HRE votes) and you lose Austrian ideas and bonuses. Especially the diplo rep. HRE as vassals > France
CyPunk 2018 年 8 月 23 日 上午 6:13 
They are beatable also in the 1500s with planning. Playing as the Knights I built a coallition of Austria, (independent) Hungary, Poland-Lithuania, and Castile (with Aargon, Naples, and Burgundy) and fully occupied Ottomans even though they had Constantinople. It required 100 years of careful diplomacy and the occassional war to keep the allies distracted and not looking at each other too hungerly.

Early on I did try to deny Otto some things and take them for myself: southern Greece, Cyprus, all Genoa's and Venice's lands there and in Crimea, and some of Georgia/Circassia, and the Holy Lands (Jerusalem area). In my mind I do think exactly what you possess here matters, though sure Constantinople is great... but it also paints a target on your head before you may be ready. What matters is you drew a limit to their growth by taking land they normally take and having a strong enough ally to deter them until you get more allies and enough power to beat them.

Case in point, I took a similar approach as Georgia allied to the Mamluks (yeah, got lucky with that alliance!). In this case however, I held the major direct offensive war until the Ottomans were caught up in Europe's religious war (late 1500s). But by denying them some key areas of East Anatolia and ensuring the Mamluks did not lose stuff it denied the Ottomans allot of their power... while we ate QQ to gain power. I will also point out here, early in the game I did not take Trebizond. I could have easily, but again: big target then, before I am ready. And you need to be the one to declare the war.

Back to the Knights: for the war I take a different view than some. I fought all the key battles or was there to back up large allied armies. As the lowely Knights my participation was 32%, followed by a Castile on steriods at 29%. You can not sit back and let your AI allies do the heavy lifting: they do not pursue properly, see the seiges through, cut off the enemy where needed. I had no manpower at the end of the war and a few loans, but all recoverable... if I had let the AI lead, I am of the belief I would have lost much more. Bottom line: be prepared to lose more men and material even than Otto does, as if you see a key battle, you must throw yourself into it even if it looks like it could be a close one. I am not saying fight every stupid battle, but you should be able to tell when this looks like the mother of all battles.

Attack right when you have teched up, when you have good advisors available or events that gave bonuses, and when Otto had at least a tiny difficulty somewhere. Do not wait for the perfect storm, just a tiny edge (or rather, less of a disadvantage), as (to repeat) you want to be the one declaring the war...and an alliance like I built would not survive too long I think... certaintly the religious wars could totally rip it up... or Russia or France.


Good luck and enjoy! Always fun beating the Ottomans.
最後修改者:CyPunk; 2018 年 8 月 23 日 上午 6:14
Tulduil Iphukiir 2018 年 8 月 23 日 上午 7:38 
Currently played Yemen, going for Arabia and United Islam.

After growing a bit into Arabia and Ethiopia/East Africa I allied the Ottomans who had a slow start against the Mameluks, both to help my conquest and to control their growth. My plan: if I declare and call them in we are always on the same truce, so no uncontrolled Ottoman expansion into Levante.
So much for the plan, it worked for one war, directly after it they rivalled me :(
To secure myself I found a new ally in Austria(+Hungary PU) (It helped we both had Ottoman and Mameluks as rivals).
What I didn't think through: Some years later I was called into the League War as Austria's ally, with Ottomans on the Protestant side.
I joined and could siege down all of Anatolia without any battles (not counting some 1-3k stackwipes) as all Ottoman troops were deep within Poland and Northern Germany.
Unfortunetely I got nothing but money out of the war but Ottomans had to release some nations and I am confident I can win round two with Austrian help when the truce runs out.
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