Getting tired of all the high level fed Chaos teams

[Pixieish]

Even in the Hadwick league it seems like I can't escape them. (And that was worse since I waited for several ages only for a team over 1k more in points to show up, tentacles waving everywhere.)

Aside from making a throwaway team to foul every single Chaos team I can find, is there a better league out there I can try out?

[XX //]

i'm pretty new to the game, is Chaos just really OP or something?

[Profiler]

@XX

No it's not, it's just annoying...

Chaos Team starts as one of the worst starting teams ever, because they don't have many skills.

But their easy access to mutations will make them to one of the best teams in high TV.
But many chaos teams just evolve their teams into killer commandos with Claws , piling on.
They only focus on killing your team.
Most coaches hate to play against them, because they don't want to lose one of their precious team players.

Against such a killer team you will usually win because you can focus on the ball, but you will probably lose players or they will be injured.

[Inland Empire]

It's really sad. They often don't even play good at all. Don't focus on winning, just try to take out as many of your players as possible. No matter if they win or not. It just feels destructive, so I guess that's why some coaches are so salty about it.
I've won 2:1 as a 1100 TV skaven team vs a 2400 Chaos team. 3 medics, halfling chef, rerolls for every turn, Hakflem and Rat ogre mercenary as well as maximum babes helped to stay in the game. Only lost one gutter runner in the process and winnings where worth it.

Besides, there really should be an adjustable maximum team value difference. It's my own fault if I have to wait longer for my games, but everything 400+ is starting to be significantly less enjoyable.

[BigBadB]

Originally posted by XX 2sleepy4u :

i'm pretty new to the game, is Chaos just really OP or something?

Chaos isn't OP as such, but the format and rules that Cyanide have chosen for the open league heavily favours them at higher TV.

[Akie174]

Originally posted by Melwach:

It's really sad. They often don't even play good at all. Don't focus on winning, just try to take out as many of your players as possible. No matter if they win or not. It just feels destructive, so I guess that's why some coaches are so salty about it.
I've won 2:1 as a 1100 TV skaven team vs a 2400 Chaos team. 3 medics, halfling chef, rerolls for every turn, Hakflem and Rat ogre mercenary as well as maximum babes helped to stay in the game. Only lost one gutter runner in the process and winnings where worth it.

Besides, there really should be an adjustable maximum team value difference. It's my own fault if I have to wait longer for my games, but everything 400+ is starting to be significantly less enjoyable.

That's because you haven't meet pro Chaos players at the top level. You just have to accept that the way Chaos win games is to take out more of their opponent's players in the pitch or beat the opponent into submission ( concede button 95% of the time). I believe Dwarves are much more dangerous to be honest.

[Leatherhead]

Originally posted by Profiler:

Most coaches hate to play against them, because they don't want to lose one of their precious team players.

IF only it was just one. Last time I even tried to play such a team I ended up with two deaths and a crippling injury. There isn't enough gold in a win to replace three players.

[RodHull]

Originally posted by foongjunemeng:

I believe Dwarves are much more dangerous to be honest.

Try telling that to the coach I met last night. His 2040TV chaos murder team (claw and MB everywhere) against my 1850TV dwarves, who granted all had MB as well but hey we are dwarves after guard there isnt much else your longbeards can get thats worth it haha

He made the mistake of caging tightly on turn 3 and allowed me to surround him with the iron curtain of stand firm guard dwarves then spent the next 5 turns moaning how unlucky he was on turn 7 of his drive I scored and the whining began in earnest.

By this point id lost 3 players to injury but I didnt complain. He said how it was pure luck i was winning how he should be winning cause in his words 'dwarves suck at high tv and his chaos team is a direct counter to them' I was still playing for a draw as scoring was gonna be next to impossible with just 8 players vs his whole team... But for some reason when he stole the ball he inexplicably stalled the match and i forced a turnover and killed the game enough so I won 1-0

Reason for the story... most chaos kill coaches are salty whiny little babies who dont really know what to do past turn 4 because they are so used to people conceding, they dont understand how to grind a win they dont understand risk ordering of actions (so many times he started his turn with a pointless mino blitz)

If you want to stop the fed chaos teams actually play them, worst case they will kill a bunch of your players and trim your TV down enough so you wont have to face high tv chaos for a while. Best case and what usually happens they quit as soon it becomes obvious youll win and they cant make you concede.

As an FYI this dwarf team is now 8-0 against high tv chaos teams in the last 2 weeks... chaos arent nearly as bad as people make out and are usually coached by bad sports and idiots lol

[Akie174]

Originally posted by RodHull:

Originally posted by foongjunemeng:

I believe Dwarves are much more dangerous to be honest.

Try telling that to the coach I met last night. His 2040TV chaos murder team (claw and MB everywhere) against my 1850TV dwarves, who granted all had MB as well but hey we are dwarves after guard there isnt much else your longbeards can get thats worth it haha

He made the mistake of caging tightly on turn 3 and allowed me to surround him with the iron curtain of stand firm guard dwarves then spent the next 5 turns moaning how unlucky he was on turn 7 of his drive I scored and the whining began in earnest.

By this point id lost 3 players to injury but I didnt complain. He said how it was pure luck i was winning how he should be winning cause in his words 'dwarves suck at high tv and his chaos team is a direct counter to them' I was still playing for a draw as scoring was gonna be next to impossible with just 8 players vs his whole team... But for some reason when he stole the ball he inexplicably stalled the match and i forced a turnover and killed the game enough so I won 1-0

Reason for the story... most chaos kill coaches are salty whiny little babies who dont really know what to do past turn 4 because they are so used to people conceding, they dont understand how to grind a win they dont understand risk ordering of actions (so many times he started his turn with a pointless mino blitz)

If you want to stop the fed chaos teams actually play them, worst case they will kill a bunch of your players and trim your TV down enough so you wont have to face high tv chaos for a while. Best case and what usually happens they quit as soon it becomes obvious youll win and they cant make you concede.

As an FYI this dwarf team is now 8-0 against high tv chaos teams in the last 2 weeks... chaos arent nearly as bad as people make out and are usually coached by bad sports and idiots lol

What people fail to understand is that no matter how powerful Chaos is, their beastman are still vulnerable as they are AV 8. They can give you a beating but they can't take the beating back hence why I said Dwarves are much more dangerous. They are strong from low TV till high TV and if you meet a pro dwarf who knows what he's doing , chaos teams will have a hard time.

I have a TV 3000 Chaos team and more or less I will meet the same old opponents at the top and majority of the time , they just concede. Why?. Even when they are playing the same murderous chaos team and still cant win?. Coz they don't play with folders and they lack the understanding of positioning. I determine who he blitz during his turn and I minimize the risk of my important pieces being taken down.

[Pixieish]

Originally posted by Melwach:

I've won 2:1 as a 1100 TV skaven team vs a 2400 Chaos team. 3 medics, halfling chef, rerolls for every turn, Hakflem and Rat ogre mercenary as well as maximum babes helped to stay in the game. Only lost one gutter runner in the process and winnings where worth it.

For some reason I was under the impression there was a limit of two apocs... suppose I should give it another look given how the wizard hasn't been getting me good results every time I use him...

[GOB]

Too mutch chaos team at hight LVL ... 95% teams i play against is CHAOS, sometimes dwarf/orc. It's starting to be boring and really deserves the game. It's a real reason to not buy this game unless the chaos team haven't easy acces to mutation.

[RodHull]

Originally posted by Pixieish:

Originally posted by Melwach:

I've won 2:1 as a 1100 TV skaven team vs a 2400 Chaos team. 3 medics, halfling chef, rerolls for every turn, Hakflem and Rat ogre mercenary as well as maximum babes helped to stay in the game. Only lost one gutter runner in the process and winnings where worth it.

For some reason I was under the impression there was a limit of two apocs... suppose I should give it another look given how the wizard hasn't been getting me good results every time I use him...

I believe the limit is you can buy 2 apocs + the one you already have = 3

[Eldril Sidewinder]

I haven't noticed this problem as much as others. My elf players get killed often at mid-TV and stops my TV from rising ;)

[Altheus]

One way to beat them is to stamp on their minotaur or chaos warriors at every opportunity. When they see that they tend to run.

[0xxian]

If we had the 51 pt rule in for conceeding these teams wouldn't even exist. Two 2.5k chaos teams would meet and they would destory each other rather than playing to who uses their apoth first and then conceeding which is preety much what happens now. Likewise they wouldn't get anymoney because spiraling expenses would actually make a impact when there not getting 100k from a concession every match. So they would end with wrecked broken teams of bloated players who arnt worth their TV and loners they can never replace because they cant get any money.

We only get silly 3k tv stupidity because of the inability on cyanides part to introduce a reconect feature and their unwillingness to properly impliment concession rules.

[two_larsens]

I do think it's a problem, and it is so due to the number of teams available, and that a lot of people aren't really interested in learning how to play.

Yesterday my newish Dark Elf team - TV around 1050, was paired with a 2400 Chaos team. That was a no-go. I did concede since there is no competition. I am all for giving it a shot, but not like that. When you look at that amount in inducements, it's plain silly. You can't make up that difference in anything worth while. Getting the Halfling Chef is often a joke. You can spend 300000 on a possible dud, which is not good. The only thing that could be worth it is a lot of substitues, because they will be needed, but again, good luck getting anything much out of the game.

Players like to say Chaos aren't strong, but I disagree. If the name of the game is to wipe put the opposition, then for sure they are. They would have to be looked at in relation to the other teams, and which else would be considered the bashiest? Orcs are up there, and Dwarves, but Chaos takes the cake. Congratulations to them.
The thing too is that often Chaos coaches aren't interested in winning, but in destroying, and then, by default, winning.

I will say that it seems more different teams are appearing regularly - elves, and the like, but Chaos is very much every other game, and I hate to say this, but it is getting old, and I really hope it won't get too old, because I like BB a lot.

I've been trying to think of a way to 'incentivise' playing against higher margin TV teams, and perhaps a points system would be good - so if you, as a TV 1000 team beats a TV 2000+, something extra good should be coming your way. That would also give higher value teams an incentive to maybe not get too bloated.