Blood Bowl 1 Chaos Edition AI vs 2 AI?

[Salem Graves]

Anyone have any opinion on which game has the better AI? I recently picked up 1 Chaos Edition since it was dirt cheap and I prefer playing against AI because I don't feel I'm good enough for multiplayer, so which game do you all think has the better AI?

[VoodooMike]

Its a bit like asking whether someone would rather have their left testicle stepped on or their right. The minute shades of difference are eclipsed by the foundational horror that encompasses all the options.

[Yarrick]

in other words no difference really just personal choice

[Drakk]

indisputably the only Ai worthy of the name is in BB1

[Yarrick]

Both AI are absolutely crap if ya not playing blood bowl against other humans then ya not playing Blood bowl its AI bowl

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by Drakk:

indisputably the only Ai worthy of the name is in BB1

Not indisputable as I vehemently dispute it.

[Drakk]

and I passionately ask you to tell me why

[VoodooMike]

Originally posted by Drakk:

and I passionately ask you to tell me why

Because what you say is untrue.

When BB1 was released back in 2009 the AI was so bad that it became a centerpiece for the ridicule of the community. There was the "snotling challenge" that many of us engaged in which involved running a flawless single player campaign all the way to the cup using an ogre team comprised of nothing but snotlings (it wasn't really a challenge - anyone who understood the rules could do it pretty easily).

The community consensus of the time (and, really, still today) was that the AI was more of a challenge on lower difficulties, which meant the actual AI was so bad that having it randomly make choices in contradiction to what it believed to be the optimal path... actually made it play better.

The community eventually took to messing with the numbers in the XML config files to try to find a better set of configuration variables for the single player AI... and we did the best we could.... which led to Cyanide replacing their own numbers with ours, and making the game give AI teams a couple hundred points of TV advantage in the hopes of providing a mechanical challenge where a strategic challenge was missing.

When BB2 came out they had promised improved AI, and an AI that would take into account roster differences (BB1's AI did not play rosters any differently from each other). The perception at the time was that BB2's AI was an improvement over BB1's - that's the perception of people who had actually been playing BB1's AI and were now playing the new BB2 AI - but was still pretty dismal. In BB2 it was no longer possible for the community to mess with the numbers, so it was just what it was.

Both are absolute trash. Just total garbage. They present no challenge to anyone who has even basic competence.

[Drakk]

I humbly respect the facts presented but equally humbly point out that the question of the op was on which was the best of the two AI for a beginner, so... I think it's better to give an indication, even if personal, rather than simply saying: " they suck, go and play something else..."

[alexmartrov11]

Originally posted by Yarrick:

Both AI are absolutely crap if ya not playing blood bowl against other humans then ya not playing Blood bowl its AI bowl

late to the party but the ai in 1 is quite enjoyable to play against even if its not that good as a regular player. So don't know what your on about

[Yarrick]

they both suck but its good for people that do not know the rules the games a bit more forgiving for newbies. the only way you going to get decent at the game is if you play multi player and play in a league setting against other people. its the best way to learn or watch streams and youtube

[alexmartrov11]

Originally posted by Yarrick:

they both suck but its good for people that do not know the rules the games a bit more forgiving for newbies. the only way you going to get decent at the game is if you play multi player and play in a league setting against other people. its the best way to learn or watch streams and youtube

No, you clearly need to replay bb1, because the ai is leagues better then two its not even close. Also some don't care for multiplayer.

[Yarrick]

Originally posted by alexmartrov11:

Originally posted by Yarrick:

they both suck but its good for people that do not know the rules the games a bit more forgiving for newbies. the only way you going to get decent at the game is if you play multi player and play in a league setting against other people. its the best way to learn or watch streams and youtube

No, you clearly need to replay bb1, because the ai is leagues better then two its not even close. Also some don't care for multiplayer.

That's to your standard in my opinion which it is my opinion all AI's are absolute crap in every version of the digital game. the reason being is its too hard to code every possible combination of player for Blood Bowl so the AI is not gonna know if thats a kill piece a scorer etc. I do agree tha the AI is slightly better than BB2 and BB3 for BB1 but its still crap overall to my standard.

best thing to do is try all version for yourself and make ya own mind up if they are good or not.

[alexmartrov11]

Originally posted by Yarrick:

Originally posted by alexmartrov11:

No, you clearly need to replay bb1, because the ai is leagues better then two its not even close. Also some don't care for multiplayer.

That's to your standard in my opinion which it is my opinion all AI's are absolute crap in every version of the digital game. the reason being is its too hard to code every possible combination of player for Blood Bowl so the AI is not gonna know if thats a kill piece a scorer etc. I do agree tha the AI is slightly better than BB2 and BB3 for BB1 but its still crap overall to my standard.

best thing to do is try all version for yourself and make ya own mind up if they are good or not.

Then you're just blind, it has nothing to do with opinion. The ai is a legit downgrade in 2. While not as good as a player. Ai in bb1 is still good enough to have playing against them be fun. Which is my point that you don't need to play multiplayer to get the most out of it, at least in regards to bb1.

[Yarrick]

Originally posted by alexmartrov11:

Originally posted by Yarrick:

That's to your standard in my opinion which it is my opinion all AI's are absolute crap in every version of the digital game. the reason being is its too hard to code every possible combination of player for Blood Bowl so the AI is not gonna know if thats a kill piece a scorer etc. I do agree tha the AI is slightly better than BB2 and BB3 for BB1 but its still crap overall to my standard.

best thing to do is try all version for yourself and make ya own mind up if they are good or not.

Then you're just blind, it has nothing to do with opinion. The ai is a legit downgrade in 2. While not as good as a player. Ai in bb1 is still good enough to have playing against them be fun. Which is my point that you don't need to play multiplayer to get the most out of it, at least in regards to bb1.

i think you are missing the point man this game was designed from a table top game called BB and you play against other players that are human coaches, The AI for BB1 is absolute crap and has always been crap, once you get good at the game, you will wanna play against worthy foes so that's where Match maker or ladder for BB2 or BB3 comes in or private league, for real good competitive coaches. tho there is a place for AI leagues etc for those learning the game etc but once you get to grips with the rules teams etc, then you will turn to multiplayer eventually.

[alexmartrov11]

Originally posted by Yarrick:

Originally posted by alexmartrov11:

Then you're just blind, it has nothing to do with opinion. The ai is a legit downgrade in 2. While not as good as a player. Ai in bb1 is still good enough to have playing against them be fun. Which is my point that you don't need to play multiplayer to get the most out of it, at least in regards to bb1.

i think you are missing the point man this game was designed from a table top game called BB and you play against other players that are human coaches, The AI for BB1 is absolute crap and has always been crap, once you get good at the game, you will wanna play against worthy foes so that's where Match maker or ladder for BB2 or BB3 comes in or private league, for real good competitive coaches. tho there is a place for AI leagues etc for those learning the game etc but once you get to grips with the rules teams etc, then you will turn to multiplayer eventually.

I'm not missing anything you're just wrong about the ai being complete crap, just because its not as difficulty as a human player doesn't mean its not fun to play against.