TV, Spiralling and Number of players.

[skydancer]

It would be good if the 12-16 players count less for TV... there's no reason to go over 12 players with almost any team right?
You can field max 11 players, so it's not good have 13+ players in your team, especially in expensive elfs team.

How do you manage the growing TV and the number of players and the less gold you gain?
I'm at 1790 TV with my dark elf team, 12 players and i start feeling that the downward spiral is behind the corner.

[licker34]

Well that's how the system is set up. Many people despise spiraling expenses, and maybe with the nonsense bank rule in BB2 they should be dropped anyway.

However, there are places where people play teams for 100s of games and have millions in the bank. Partially due to the removal of aging (again BB2 has aging, so maybe we don't need SE either).

But beyond that, you should build the best team you can for whatever the environment is you play them in. Usually (some leagues have different rules on it) in a league there is little reason not to get your TV as high you can (with logical purchases, not saying you should hire 10 cheerleaders or run with 8 rerolls) because you are not TV paired, and inducements are not great at making up TV differences.

In an open league where the pairing are TV based then you do need to pay more attention to it, else you are either giving inducements for 'free', or playing more efficiently built teams at higher TVs.

As it pertains specifically to elves though, 12 man rosters are pretty standard, 13 man rosters are usually desired, but 11 man rosters are the reality after a while due to attrition.

Personally I pay about zero attention to SE, I just let the dice take my team to wherever it winds up. Sometimes this is 2000tv, sometimes it's a struggle to field even 9 regulars and get past 1400tv. Only you can answer the question of what will work best for you.

[Dode]

The goal of SE is to limit your team's growth and ability to maintain high TV. The soft ceiling for standard SE is about 2200TV, iirc. The challenge is to make the best team you can within those limitations for the environment you are playing in.

[Bloodartist]

I am interested in what is the optimal way of handling team money.

Ever since I deleted my ill-fated dark elves team (Im a new player) and started a chaos one in cabalvision free ladder, I have had decent success with it. Currently my TV is at 2240 (roster of 13 players), with which spiralling expenses apparently make me lose money on a draw with a similar TV team. In other words, I only gain money on a win, and even then its a measly 20k. I was hoping to improve my stadium to rank 4 just because its cool, but with this current system this seems hard even though Im only missing 110k..

I wonder if Im doing something wrong in money management..

[licker34]

Well you're saving money over 150k so your TV is inflated by that difference.

Any min/maxer is going to tell you to always burn your money (hire and fire cheerleaders) back down to 150k after any match where you wind up over it.

[export]

Originally posted by skydancer:

It would be good if the 12-16 players count less for TV... there's no reason to go over 12 players with almost any team right?

Skaven Necro Undead Goblin Halfling Ogre Underworld Humans Amazons Khemri Vampire all tend to get more than 12 players.

[Dode]

spiralling expenses apparently make me lose money on a draw with a similar TV team. In other words, I only gain money on a win, and even then its a measly 20k

First, there is how winnings are calculated. From the rulebook:

Each coach rolls a D6 and adds his team’s FAME (see page 18). The team receives this amount x 10,000 gold pieces as winnings for the match. If you won or tied the match you receive an additional 10,000 gold pieces. If you won the match you may also choose to reroll your D6, but you must accept the second result even if it is worse than the first. Remember that teams that concede a match do not receive any winnings.

That means the average winnings are FAME +35k for a loss, FAME +45k for a tie, and FAME +52.5k for a win. Assuming a FAME (which is not Fan Factor) of 1, the ranges of winnings you can receive are 20-70k for a loss and 30-80k for a draw or win. So it's entirely possible to earn more for losing than for winning.
Second, SE. SE starts at 1750TV at 10k, and increases by 10k every 150TV. So at 2240 your SE is 40k per match.

As licker says, saving money costs money (making the higher tier stadiums quite hard to achieve).

[licker34]

I did save to 400k to get my that last upgrade on one of my teams.

Was it worth it? Not for me it wasn't, but if they improve the fluff around these things then sure.

It's worth getting the lvl 2 so that you can buy the bonus (I go with either dome for non AG4 teams, or the one that stops rocks and bribes for AG4).

You can occasionally get lvl3 from 150k savings if you get a concession and good rolls on both, but you don't get any in game benefit from lvl3 or 4 as far as I can tell.

[Dode]

Originally posted by licker34:

you don't get any in game benefit from lvl3 or 4 as far as I can tell.

Apparently it's cosmetic...

[Bloodartist]

Originally posted by Dode:

Originally posted by licker34:

you don't get any in game benefit from lvl3 or 4 as far as I can tell.

Apparently it's cosmetic...

It is cosmetic, like I said. But I want it :P
Also its not hard to get, if you buy it at the beginning when your TV is still low and winnings are high.

Originally posted by licker34:

Well you're saving money over 150k so your TV is inflated by that difference.

Any min/maxer is going to tell you to always burn your money (hire and fire cheerleaders) back down to 150k after any match where you wind up over it.

Quite frankly I don't care about that anymore. My chaos team is what it is and TV is increasing slowly and surely due to character levels. Also as far as I know, those things like cheerleaders increase TV anyway.

[licker34]

That 's why you fire them after you hire them.

[Cysterion]

Just to give a small precision about SE : they don't seem to consider your whole TV for spiralling expenses, but only your "actual team" value (players, RR, popularity and staff). As far as I've noticed, all the TV gained by owning more than 150k in your bank does not trigger (higher) SE.

[the Sage]

The point is to burn money, not to get cheerleaders. Though given the WH universe, I suppose you could burn cheerleaders.

The stadium costing 400k sucks when saving over 150k is objectively bad. I wish we could buy the stadium enhancements in 100k increments (could even show as partially built up, in scaffolds, until fully paid off). That way you wouldn't have to give up inducement money for a cosmetic upgrade.

[Netvudu]

Originally posted by twitch.tv/the_Sage_BB:

The point is to burn money, not to get cheerleaders. Though given the WH universe, I suppose you could burn cheerleaders.
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hahah. That cracked me up

[Bloodartist]

No worries, I got the rank 4 stadium last night. Had two concessions against me and those give me a boatload of money - 150k in winnings as opposed to more standard 20-30 per normal win.

As it stands in the cabalvision league, Chaos is imba enough that I dont even care who comes against me or what their TV is lol. The most TV Ive been underdog to has so far been 200 points.

edit: at this rate I should get the golden college achievement in couple evenings in the public league.

[Dr. August]

Think there's a small issue too where after a point unless a player dies or needs to be replaced, there's nothing worth spending your money on outside of inducements that you probably don't even need and stadium upgrades. Cheerleaders and assistant coaches are a fun idea but the fact that you are penalized for even having them makes you wonder why they are there at all.