Is TV Plus similar to the Wissen tournament System?

[LittleBits47]

Title says it all.

[AJDStudios]

actually, it doesn't. Can you elaborate?

[LittleBits47]

Is the way that tv plus matches people similar to the way that people are matched in Wissen Tournaments?

[AJDStudios]

I don't think I know how to answer that, maybe someone more awake and who has spent a long time thinking about it will come soon and tackle it.

No - in the sense that you are taking one opponent, that you will only play once, from a limited pool of players and you will be matched to the closest record opponent you haven't already played in wissen.

yes....kind of ... in that it will match you to the closest opponent in tv that is currently in the spin cycle when you spin, assuming no one else also close is in the list before you.

but essentially they are not comparable, as your comparing a structured league to a ladder.... so, no idea if that answered your quesion or not.

[DMAN222]

CCL/COL/ TV Plus is a way of match making that involves using TV Plus which combines your TV plus some sort of calculation that uses your record with that team as a factor and it is possible to get the same team multiple times in a row using TV Plus in a ladder (ladders in BB2 automatically and only use the TV Plus system). Wissen match making will only allow you to face an opponent once and does not, IIRC, care much of anything about your TV - only the team's record (mind you, all teams play the same number of games barring replacement teams needing to come in so TV should be rather comparable unless you allow new and older teams into the same tournament). AD had an accurate description.

Someone else would know better if Wissen does actually take TV Plus into account at all or if it is just win record.

[DMAN222]

Ah, I found this after a quick search:

Source: https://www.facebook.com/notes/blood-bowl/blood-bowl-2-legendary-edition-new-multiplayer-modes/10159243283710228/

The part you care about: Another staple of the Blood Bowl tabletop tournaments will soon be available in Blood Bowl 2: Legendary Edition : The Wissen format, that will allow you create competitions using the Swiss system.
This format weighs each team’s level based on their performances to create more balanced match-ups throughout the competition. After a given number of rounds, the final rankings are set.
Choose the Wissen format when creating a competition. You can choose to welcome between 10 and 128 teams participating in a 16-round competition. The number of rounds is also customizable.

[DarthPhysicist]

No. You are matched in wissen based on your current ranking. Its for fixed length tournaments and has nothing to do with TV.

[Ugh]

There's some similarity as both formats use past performance in a tournament to (try to) optimize for closer match-making for future games. The better your performance, the harder your matches will be and vice versa.

[DarthPhysicist]

Swiss/Wissen uses it to find a winner; TV plus aims to create “even” matches. Its fundamentally different.

[Ugh]

All tournaments try to find a winner. Wissen just does it by making the matches harder for those who have already won and less hard for those that have not. Same as TVPlus.

[DarthPhysicist]

Originally posted by Ugh:

All tournaments try to find a winner. Wissen just does it by making the matches harder for those who have already won and less hard for those that have not. Same as TVPlus.

It does not make it harder. You wind up playing a group more to your personal skill based on performance only. TV has nothing to do with Wissen. In TV+, that is open matchmaking. There is no champion.

[Ugh]

Originally posted by DarthPhysicist:

Originally posted by Ugh:

All tournaments try to find a winner. Wissen just does it by making the matches harder for those who have already won and less hard for those that have not. Same as TVPlus.

It does not make it harder. You wind up playing a group more to your personal skill based on performance only. TV has nothing to do with Wissen. In TV+, that is open matchmaking. There is no champion.

Of course 'playing in a group more to your personal skill' is potentially harder for those in the upper skill-levels than being matched with a high probability with someone less-skilled.

Sure, the performance can be misleading due to low number of games, but it can also be in the ladder format. The idea in both cases is still the same: adjust match-making due to past performance.

A ranking is also a determination of winner and for the non-winnners at least a comparison to everyone else, which can get you fame or acknowledgement.

And the winner of the ranking of their race gets to the playoffs as a reward (at least in CCL), so the competition is determining winners in their respective race.

[DarthPhysicist]

TV + adjusts the TV match, not skill. You can play the same person repeatedly in TV+, not in wissen. TV has nothing to do with Wissen and its the central parameter in TV+. So are KO tourneys like TV+? Only in an irrelevant sense.

[Ugh]

Yes, Wissen has these restrictive properties on the match-making.

TV+ adjusts the match-making, so does Wissen, both using past performance as ONE input-variable and trying to match equal-performing teams with each other under the restrictions at hand (in the ladder, the maximum TV gap, in the Wissen where that isn't an issue due to the same number of played games since the start of the tournament the already-played-exclusion).

So, they're alike in that aspect, but different in others, of course, otherwise they'd be the same thing. And yes, KO tournaments also share some of that property.

[DarthPhysicist]

So they’re all alike in that they make matches. How wonderfully meaningless of a comparison.

You make an assumption. Wissens have mixes of TVs too as not all teams necessarily have the same number of games.