playing elves or playing against elves feels like cheating to me

[general3009]

elves can do everything they need to do without problems, they can pick up the ball whenever they want to, they can just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ leave tacklezones without any issue, they hit just as hard as humans and things like wood elves START with BLODGERS. they honestly dont really have much of a downside other than "oh they cost a little more than normal teams" or "the av is low" but NORSE has the same av and they are actually balanced. elves feel extremely overpowered to me and i just dont feel like they shouldve been in the game to begin with, or at least they need some form of nerf. its just ridiculous, its honestly made me stop playing games because i keep getting matches with elves and i just cant have fun while playing against overpowered ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. also, how the ♥♥♥♥ are more difficult to play than norse or humans??

Edit: Now that I've played the game for a little while longer, I've realized that elves actually aren't nearly that bad. They're a good team when it comes to scoring, if you let them, but outside of that they really struggle. While I still despise dwarves (honestly that's probably mostly because I haven't figured out a reliable counter to them yet.), I think most teams are pretty okay balance wise. There are teams that are made specifically to be worse than others, yeah, but you know what you're signing up for when you decide to play *snotlings.* 3 years can really change your perspective on things, I guess. I'm glad I grew out of the irrational rage that I displayed here though, it was just a little over the top if I'm honest.

[holy-death]

Originally posted by general3009:

they honestly dont really have much of a downside

Here[bbtactics.com] is an interesting guide on how to play against Elves in general.

By the way, Nurgle is great anti-passing team and Dwarves are great anti-dodging team. Try one of them, if you are having problems with the Elves on a regular basis (or just want to take revenge).

By the way 2; one of the strategies to make life harder for high agility passing teams is taking Pass Block.

Here[www.thenaf.net] is a good article about it (among other less common strategies).

[DarthPhysicist]

Yes elves are good at winning. They aren't good at killing. So... take your pick.

[madzero]

i never understood how i can block elves personally. too agile to stop the ball picker to just run away, or in the case if they're defenders, to easily reach my skinks or goblins etc..., too good at passing to prevent them from just throwing the ball from litterally across the field.

it just seems i can't counter them

[Kejiruze]

Originally posted by madzero:

i never understood how i can block elves personally. too agile to stop the ball picker to just run away, or in the case if they're defenders, to easily reach my skinks or goblins etc..., too good at passing to prevent them from just throwing the ball from litterally across the field.

it just seems i can't counter them

Do what they do to you, Elf Screen.

Especially as Lizards and Orcs they'll have a nightmare blitzing a Str 4 down, and can't move through if there's another dude behind.

Don't just mark up randomly, it'll get you knocked down and ran around.

Also don't play Gobbos!

[Guy]

I'm playing Underworld right now. I'm truly overjoyed when I see I'm against elves, any of them. I catch them, I beat them up, I can easily dodge them, and my mutant freaks have enough hands the elves cant pass over me. And then I throw a gobbo at them anyway.

[general3009]

Originally posted by Guy:

I'm playing Underworld right now. I'm truly overjoyed when I see I'm against elves, any of them. I catch them, I beat them up, I can easily dodge them, and my mutant freaks have enough hands the elves cant pass over me. And then I throw a gobbo at them anyway.

kill some elven union for me please, rip off their heads while they scream your name and drop it off at my doorstep.

[Alien]

Elven Union are the most crunchable elves though, so probably the most satisfying to play against. Even if they win, they will very rarely end the match with all their players on the field, because they have AR7 except on the blitzers, and MA6 on everyone except blitzers and catchers.

They have the best catchers in the game and they rely a lot on them so they are also vulnerable. It's very different from Wood Elves, who have MA7 and therefore can play the ball with any player and are faster than any team. With Elven Union you need to play very tactically, and know when you must make the right sacrifices because you don't have enough MA to just run away if your adversary is good. Dodging and passing are still dice rolls too, but the Elven Union is a passing team that needs to dodge. Which is bad compared to Dark Elves for instance that generally just need to run and punch.

This is why Elven Union is generally despised by Elf Coaches too, and one of the least played teams in the game, btw. They have a very "all or nothing" playstyle, aggressive in both attack and defense - you often need to score quick (and are very good at it), and you need to be aggressive in defense because you don't have enough players to make good screens.

[Snorri Nosebiter]

Originally posted by AlienSpectator:

It's very different from Wood Elves, who have MA7 and therefore can play the ball with any player and are faster than any team.

Skaven are faster by a tiny margin.

[general3009]

Originally posted by The Shoop:

Originally posted by AlienSpectator:

It's very different from Wood Elves, who have MA7 and therefore can play the ball with any player and are faster than any team.

Skaven are faster by a tiny margin.

i actually dont mind skaven, they have a downside and the only guys that move 500 miles per hour are the gutter runners, but you can easily just smack their ass down.

[Snorri Nosebiter]

Originally posted by general3009:

elves can do everything they need to do without problems

They're poor at bashing, and suffer against Guard a lot.

Originally posted by general3009:

they honestly dont really have much of a downside other than "oh they cost a little more than normal teams" or "the av is low"

The low AV is a very large downside early on, and at higher TVs when the lineelves have Dodge you should have some Tackle.

Originally posted by general3009:

NORSE has the same av and they are actually balanced

The balance with Elves comes in the fact that their linemen don't start with any skills and none of their players get S access outside of doubles. Their only advantages are AG4 and above average speed. You're paying 70k for linemen that are less use on the line than an 50k equivalent.

Originally posted by general3009:

also, how the ♥♥♥♥ are more difficult to play than norse or humans??

Norse start with Block on almost every player, making them a lot more forgiving than Elves. They also have a lot of S access.
Humans start with four players with Block, Sure Hands, two Dodge and a Big Guy. Their line is more resilient on defence, and they have more options open to them throughout the game.
Both teams are considerably more forgiving of mistakes than Elves.

Originally posted by general3009:

i actually dont mind skaven, they have a downside and the only guys that move 500 miles per hour are the gutter runners, but you can easily just smack their ass down.

It sounds to me like your problem is with AG4 across the board rather than speed, then.

[FlyingTorcensoredWhale]

Get yourself some Orcs. Give them Orcs Guard and Tackle. A lot of it. Some Diving Tackle maybe to throw a curveball. Dirty Player for sure (if he doesn't leave the pitch by being punched in the face, maybe you'll convince him by stepping on it?) Laugh. I mean, Elves are absolutely amazing teams, but Orcs have all the tools to break their pretty little faces. And even if you lose, you still most likely broke half of his team in the process. Nice consolation prize.

[Smegish]

Speaking as an Elf player (ran High Elves for quite a few years in the Aussie league on Fumbbl.com) I can say that you are probably not going to stop them scoring.... once...

You can however force them to score fast - usually 2 turns - and then when you receive cage up and pound away, taking your sweet time scoring if you can. Unless you are running skaven don't try to get into a high scoring shootout with them, they are better at it than you.

For example: Elves receive to start the game, probably scores in 2 turns. You receive and spend the rest of the half beating him into the dirt with as much Block/Tackle/Mighty Blow as you can while you cage hard , score on turn 8.

Half time score: 1-1

Second half again you take your sweet time grinding down the field, bashing away as you go, score on turn 16.

Final Score: 2-1.

Only way I could reliably beat that without relying on Elven BS like dodging into 2 zones to hit the ballcarrier is by taking multiple players with Leap and either wrestle or strip ball. And by the time I had that squad together the opposition could do all kinds of damage to me.

Get yourself a few guys with Block/Tackle/Mighty Blow and you should do fine. League I was in almost never took pass block (mostly cos there weren't many pass-heavy teams so it wasn't deemed worth the skill use) but it can be effective, if only to force more zones on the catcher.

[Conducting Kraken]

hate to say it but this is intentionally done by Jervis Johnson the creator of blood bowl elves are meant to be very good at scoring, chaos at hitting things and halflings being hit and scored against the teams have never been balanced but they are not meant to be

[Teemo]

Originally posted by Smegish:

Speaking as an Elf player (ran High Elves for quite a few years in the Aussie league on Fumbbl.com) I can say that you are probably not going to stop them scoring.... once...

You can however force them to score fast - usually 2 turns - and then when you receive cage up and pound away, taking your sweet time scoring if you can. Unless you are running skaven don't try to get into a high scoring shootout with them, they are better at it than you.

For example: Elves receive to start the game, probably scores in 2 turns. You receive and spend the rest of the half beating him into the dirt with as much Block/Tackle/Mighty Blow as you can while you cage hard , score on turn 8.

Half time score: 1-1

Second half again you take your sweet time grinding down the field, bashing away as you go, score on turn 16.

Final Score: 2-1.

Only way I could reliably beat that without relying on Elven BS like dodging into 2 zones to hit the ballcarrier is by taking multiple players with Leap and either wrestle or strip ball. And by the time I had that squad together the opposition could do all kinds of damage to me.

Get yourself a few guys with Block/Tackle/Mighty Blow and you should do fine. League I was in almost never took pass block (mostly cos there weren't many pass-heavy teams so it wasn't deemed worth the skill use) but it can be effective, if only to force more zones on the catcher.

I can confirm this works great with pretty much any fighting team, I win against elves 2-1 all the time unless they get lucky with some high risk-high payoff shenanigans.