Defense against circus leap?

[Lensar]

Tackle is one of the counters against super dodgy teams. Whats the counter to teams that leap around like monkeys?

[Arlen Tektolnes]

Mighty Blow.

More seriously, decent positioning.

[Lensar]

Basically, my strategy seems to boil down to "Hope they roll ones."

I know what they are going to do. I even know where they are going to do it. But no idea how to stop them from either scoring at will, or knocking the ball lose at will. Strip ball and guard on some of their players seem to be a super tough combination to counter.

[Arlen Tektolnes]

Don't just cage, screen.

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That's just one leap and a blitz to reach your carrier.

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That's a leap and two dodges through tackle zones to reach your carrier.

Also take sure hands. And you should ideally have guard on two corners if caging.

[Lensar]

Originally posted by Majestic:

nothing counters leap honestly it doesn't "need countering" if you have a problem with it you're obviously playing badly.

Thanks for the "obviously" worthless reply. Go away and kick a puppy or something, maybe it will make you feel better.

Originally posted by Arlen Tektolnes:

That's a leap and two dodges through tackle zones to reach your carrier.

Also take sure hands. And you should ideally have guard on two corners if caging.

Thanks, that's very helpful.

[DarthPhysicist]

Originally posted by Lensar:

Whats the counter to teams that leap around like monkeys?

bananas

[Franz]

Originally posted by Majestic:

It's not a useless comment seriously there's literally NO counter for leap. Period!

It is a useless comment. Even if you can't directly counter Leap you can position as Arlen said to force more dodges, stopping the blitz on the ball and making it harder for them to position, which are the two things Leap does. "Countered".

There is litterally no counter to most stuff. Dodge and Strip Ball, nothing else comes to my mind right now.

[Franz]

Originally posted by Majestic:

Point stands, there's no counter for leap and it's not problematic enough for there to be a need for a counter either.

There is a counter as good as most "counters" in BB, it's problematic enough for OP to open a thread asking for tips, and more generally to write guides about how to play specifically against Slann/Kislev.

[[PHNX]Kordarus]

When i see a kislev coach trying to leap to often, i know this is gonna be an easy win.

Best counter for leap is to force them to leap often or dodge, so they fail at some point and then you wrap them, hug them and smack them.

[Kernest]

On offense, best counter to Leap is screening, but if it's too hard to set up or keep up, Guard does the trick. Forcing the enemy to take -2D blocks if they want to blitz your BC on top of failing Leap attempts burns through their re-rolls quickly and often leaves valuable players vulnerable.

On the defensive there's not much you can do. If your team is slow, keep a safety so that the enemy can't leap over you, take a GFI or two and be out of reach. If you mark their catchers with enough many players, they can't pass the ball to them until after they've moved, and that's a long pass just waiting to fail.

[Stevcorp]

Bloodbowl is a dice game. Every roll the enemy needs to make is another chance for turnover.

Kislev's team ability is fed by dice rolls. So ideally, you want to force them to waste their re-rolls so they start jumping without them.

[WoodMan]

If you have Guard on your cage corners or alternatively run the anti leap cage (extend it length or heigh by 1 with an extra playter next to your ball carrier to assist) it should always be a red dice block unless the leaper has strength 4.

[WingedKagouti]

Originally posted by Stevcorp:

Bloodbowl is a dice game. Every roll the enemy needs to make is another chance for turnover.

Kislev's team ability is fed by dice rolls. So ideally, you want to force them to waste their re-rolls so they start jumping without them.

From my (very limited) experience playing against Kislev/Slann, this is more or less their biggest weakness. They're very much a high risk/high reward team that relies on having TRRs (or at least lots of Pro) to play well since there is no automatic reroll skill for Leap.

If you can somehow bleed out their TRRs, they become a lot more vulnerable and the risks they have to take lead to (on average) more turnovers.

The core strategy to winning most of your matches will be to minimize your risks while maximizing your opponent's risks. With Kislev/Slann the biggest risk is Leap. And if they can't afford to use Leap, they're basically wasting the core functionality of their team.

[Captain Super Credit]

Originally posted by DarthPhysicist:

Originally posted by Lensar:

Whats the counter to teams that leap around like monkeys?

bananas

In more ways than one... food distraction (if indeed the ARE monkies), and slippery peels...

As for Slann D... wait for the failed leap... punch the crap out of the remainders, and extra careful caging.

Get to their Catchers and blitzers with your heavy hitters. Expect a 2-1 grind.. and hope to never see a slann team get 3 TDs... unless youre elfs, rats or Lizards (who are most reliable to answer high scoring affairs).

[Lensar]

Makes sense. I just have a tough time with bad dice. Yes, I know, only bad players complain about bad dice, yada yada....

For example, just played a game with my Vampires were I failed bloodlust SIX consequetive times over two turns. Every single vampire I had rolled a one two turns in a row.

So with those of us who have bad luck, it's super hard to defend against circus leaping teams. But I'll try the suggestions, thanks!

[Kejiruze]

And that's why, with over 1000 hrs of Bloodbowl I will never play Vamps.