Losing to people not that good

[Lillika]

Not sure I can keep playing this game and keep my sanity. I can't take it when I lose to people that I don't think are that good. I watch streams (the sage) and Jimmy Fantastic. I read guides and granted I could have a bit more actual play experience, but when I do I get so frusterated, I still make mistakes and get punished soo bad sometimes. Last game I didn't mean to go for it (could have hit without) on a blitz and 1 then rr then 1, and it was a super crucial play. Then on another crucial play, I decide to go for a 2 dice hit with block before my crucial play, I knew I could fail 1/36 and I knew it would prolly happen, but I went for it and bam double skulls. Things like this frusterate me way way too much, I am rage typing right now

I am not sure I have the patience to put in the games needed to play this game with any team that isn't pure bash, pure bash teams I can actually play alot of games with the same team, but I want to play with some agi teams (Wood Elf) I have played DE and HE and some skaven, pretty much everything.

I watch my opponents play and notice soo many non-optimal moves and plays and so many mistakes but when they end up making mistakes and beating me I just get sooo upset.

ok rant over.

[Murion]

Try to Focus also on your own non optimal moves and at some Point you get Used to it always expect a fail. See it as constan Training and as opportunity to learn. At least that helps me getting relaxed after I rage stomped my pc again ;)

[VG Purist]

Have fun with the game. Even the guys that you mentioned still lose from time to time. To become better at this game you must know when to play solidly and not make "bad" moves and when to take chances and win with "bad" moves.

[Franz]

The fact you recognize your small mistakes is a big step in becoming a better coach, you stop blaming the dice and start improving your play.

That said, luck HAS a big role in BB.
If it helps let me share: my penutlimate game (Orc v Orc) I was out of rerolls and down 2 players by turn three. Note that I didn't try anything risky or give away free blocks, that was just from getting blitzed or me attempting 2 dice blocks.
Last game was vs Humans, his positioning was abysmal, on turn 4 he moved one of his two catchers into scoring position, dodged the ball carrier out of TZ, went for a 6+ pass and scored. I played decently but failed to score because of double skulls followed by a failed GFI. Next drive, I'm on attack, 2 dice block from a Blitzer on a lineman is double skulls into double skulls.

These games do happen, it's variance and it can cost you a game even if you played flawlessly, but as your skill improves you'll find that luck will become less relevant on average and you'll be able to win more consistently.

[DarthPhysicist]

It's okay to be outplayed (or outlucked). Win rate says everything. If BB is too upsetting, the rest of life will get real hard real fast.

[Lillika]

Lol thanks all, sometimes I just need to rant. Also in hindsight there was no reason not to attempt to clear the ball before making the hits, even if clearing the ball was slightly harder rolls, so chalk it up to another noobie error.

[Lillika]

Wood Elf in a way is a good way to show you where your flaws are because you get punished hard for your mistakes.

[Jeremiahk (FK)]

You are making assumptions that what they do is a mistake...some things are obvious for sure but what if that failed single dice block if successful would have lead to major positional gain.

If you lose to someone, you lost to someone who is better than you / played better than you / has a better overall team in that match plain and simple.

Luck is the universal excuse for losers. The moment I stopped blaming "luck" was the moment I started playing better and started enjoying this game far more......we play a lot of TT....30 years and counting and I am still average ROFL.

Yes there is more randomness than chess but positioning has a great deal of effect on the game....the dice do "seem" to screw you from time to time but if you are "playing better" than your opponent you should more than overcome that.

Even the best players lose...make mistakes....get outplayed from time to time.

Data has proven that the dice even out despite the fact it seems like everytime I GFI for a TD my player crashes into the endzone and loses the ball !!!!! :)

[Lillika]

I am not talking about 1 dice hits, and I am not implying that I am better than them. I am talking about bad play, positioning, going for it unnessessaly, throwing the ball into cage every time their chaos team is on offense, I am not blaming dice for my losses, but I am crying about the misfortune that the dice bring, while recognizing my own mistakes, such as not meaning to go for it on a blitz for a better angle and getting 1, and then another 1 on a rr that I will need latter.

[Franz]

Originally posted by Jeremiah K (FK):

Data has proven that the dice even out

That's only true on a large enough sample. During a single game luck does not necessarily even out and when two coaches/team are very close in performance luck can indeed be the deciding factor between a draw and a victory.

That doesn't mean it's good to blame luck and dismiss mistakes, no matter how small they are, especially since small mistakes often lead to increased risks (every coach has thrown a random block before scoring, had to reroll it and then failed the victory GFI).
There comes a point however when it's healthy to recognize and especially accept bad luck instead of getting frustrated and obsess over non-existant mistakes.

Luck is not always the excuse of a loser, it's rookie wishful thinking believing that "if you play well enough luck doesn't matter anymore". It matters less, but if you only roll 1s to pickup the ball you simply can't win. Period. I assure you, it happened to someone out there.

EG: My first action was, as always, to cover the ball, 100% safe. Then I threw a 2 dice Block skill punch on the LOS. That has a 0,08% chance of causing a turnover with a reroll, but still got quad skulls. I lost basically a whole turn, my LOS linemen lost a chance to block and instead GOT blocked, one of them (AV9) was injured leaving me one man down for the rest of the game. That made it easier for my opponent to snowball over the following turns, getting more 2 dice blocks, injure two more of my players, reach the ball and prevent me from scoring.
Was taking that zero point zero eight percent risk a mistake? It was bad luck, quickly followed by more bad luck when my lino's armor was broken and he was injured (2,7% chance).

It happens, I can live with that, next game please.

PS: just to be perfectly clear, my current winrate in BB2 is over 70%, I'm not the best coach but I assure you I don't need any "universal excuse for losers".

[the Sage]

Accept that you are playing a game where dice are a factor. Accept that this will occasionally result in a loss despite you playing perfectly, and the other guy being a noob. Laugh in Nuffle's face. Don't watch salty streamers. =)

[kallisti.maya]

I think your state of mind plays a huge roll also.

Day 1 of S05 of CCL I won 3 and drew 1 I was on the first page of the leaderboard and feeling good confident.

Day 2 I lost the first game of the day to a coach who had no bloody clue, the type of match/coach Lillika is talking about - pointless GFI's that always worked, unlikely passing plays with bull centaurs, all that nonsense, whereas my GR's were not able to dodge out of single man marking once.... not once.

That first game, left me feeling pretty irritated.... well more than that but I think this post would be taken down if I said how I was really feeling.

But it had a knock on effect for my next matches. The next match every time I got a bad roll or my opp pulled off a slightly tricky move I was like "Of course you managed to injure 3 of my players in a row" or "Of course your bull centaur manages to catch the high kick twice during this match"..... (played most of my games yesterday against Chorfs).

I lost all 4 games yesterday, some coaches were good, and some made terrible choices but still managed to win..... but after that first game the biggest thing was my state of mind, bad luck plays a role sure, in that first game for sure, but when going into each successive match feeling bitter I prolly made some dumb moves myself, didn't try solid plays that I would have done if I wasn't a salty mess.

[Lillika]

Even good players make me want to smash things....... I wish I could just play a game and not get so upset.

Nuffle laughs at me the entire game then lets me long pass catch and go for it twice with no rr for tying td. With dorfs

[awekawek]

Originally posted by Lillika:

Even good players make me want to smash things....... I wish I could just play a game and not get so upset.

But that's on you then.

I can relate somehow. After a while I got stuck with my play and easily got frustrated with the game. What helped me was actually playing less. I got into a smaller league where the matches are more fun than in the open leagues and you can focus better on a single match. I play one or two matches tops a day there. I still play in the open ladder for the quick matches, but don't care much about the teams I have there and just play for fun. So frustration there is a rare thing now.

I feel in Bloow Bowl, you can't push yourself to be better. Nuffle will not allow it if you try too hard. All you can do is change your approach to it. When one of my teams loses, I don't play them for at least a day. After a tough game, I take a break and don't jump right into the next one or at least take a team I don't care much about should every player die in the match.

[Narlgoth]

What your experincing is the BB related PTS. Most players experience it in cycles throughout their lives where you play and develop it, stop playing, recover, and then come back again.

You need to stop playing altogether and do something else for a month of two. Then start back in by spectating a couple of games to wet your appetite for the Pitch before playing once again. Everyone gets sick of Nuffle's crap sometimes.. just stop for a while until your are ready to rise from the ashes and get slaughterd by newbs using ClawPOMBers once more!

[WoodMan]

Yup definately losing my sanity here!

I'm pretty awful at BB and had never won more than 2 games in a row, so when I suddenly had a 6 winning streak followed by 1 loss another 7 winning streak I thought things were turning around! I've lost count of how many matches I've lost since then, but I've only won 1 since. And the same thing happens to me almost every time, I end up with only two or three guys left on the pitch :-(