Blood Bowl 2

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gpantano Jan 31, 2017 @ 2:55am
Are dicerolls bugged?
Just posted under tech support...i post it here to have feedback by other players.
Am i the only one who has this feeling? there are matches where i keep rolling 1s on dodge and GFIs...and matches where my opponent does. It seems the AI kind of "decides" who is going to get bad dicerolls and that guy just gets an insane amount of bad rolls!!!! i mean... i just had a match against a skaven team that just kept fumbling pickup rolls... i'm talking about 5 in a row!!!! i hope devs look into the dice roll because many times it just spoils matches.
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Dode Jan 31, 2017 @ 2:59am 
It's called variance and Blood Bowl has a lot of it. The relatively small number of dice rolls made in a game means it is entirely within the scope of randomness for one side to "appear" favoured over another.

Some games you're Nuffle's favoured one, others you're the crap on the sole of his boot.
DarthPhysicist Jan 31, 2017 @ 4:34am 
Jesus people. Its like no one ever rolled dice before. Is it because the current generation only does anything on a computer nowadays?
Hairy Coo Jan 31, 2017 @ 4:42am 
You actually answered your own question in your post. Sometimes it happens to you, sometimes - to your opponent. It means it is fair in the end. Streaks of 1s and even double ones are not a bug. Try instead to notice games when you don't roll them.
Last edited by Hairy Coo; Jan 31, 2017 @ 4:42am
gpantano Jan 31, 2017 @ 6:55am 
Guys, i'm just saying that there MIGHT be something wrong with the programming of dice rolls in the game.

@Dode
there are matches where one side gets almost every bad roll, other matches where one side appears to be on bad luck up to a certain point, then the other starts to roll crap.
My guess was there is a random pick among the 2 teams on who is going to fail his rolls
Another example... I was playing dark elves vs orcs. after failing 3 dodges i started playing bashy because i got pissed off. result: 1 black orc dead a 2 injured blitzers... which is ridiculous.
could it be that i was sorted out to fail all dodges but succeed in blocks?
And this spoils the game, since there is no managing bad luck when you are going to fail no matter the chances.

@DarthPhysicist
i'm not "current generation"... i've actually played the board game since 2nd edition, and i don't think dicerolls on the board game get that bad. if you roll a die 10 times, there is no chance of rolling 6 times 1 in a row... (nor 6 six times for what matters), and i'm saying this because i started to write down the results of dicerolls...and some are just ridiculous.

@Hairy Coo.
I'm not complaining on my bad luck, i just think there is something wrong with the dicerolls that screws up matches. If so, better ask to look into it. if i'm the only one with issues, then i'll just live with it :D

kimo Jan 31, 2017 @ 7:28am 
Originally posted by gpantano:
I was playing dark elves vs orcs. after failing 3 dodges i started playing bashy because i got pissed off. result: 1 black orc dead a 2 injured blitzers... which is ridiculous.
could it be that i was sorted out to fail all dodges but succeed in blocks?

problem is, you'll never know if your dodge play would have kept failling. Maybe you would have awesome dice one dodge too from this point. Plus armor break are more sensible to high dice roll than dodge (dodging on 6 or 2 has the same effect), so it's more spectacular when you roll theses on injuries.
I don't feel the dice are weird so far. Sometimes they are harsh, but when I look on onesandskulls, most of the time, they are correct, even if there is difference in their distribution. Sometimes I roll most of my 1s on GFI or dodge without rolling more 1 than the average overall.

Blood bowl will mess with your mind. I have my own personnal fear, and to this day, I still think my flesh golem are cursed (3 dub skull in 4 turn my last match. They are always the ones rolling these damn skulls).
But I never saw any real proof of dice manipulation.

Last edited by kimo; Jan 31, 2017 @ 7:29am
GFI_Joe Jan 31, 2017 @ 9:21am 
Originally posted by kimo:
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Blood bowl will mess with your mind. I have my own personnal fear, and to this day, I still think my flesh golem are cursed (3 dub skull in 4 turn my last match. They are always the ones rolling these damn skulls).
But I never saw any real proof of dice manipulation.

Oh i know that feel bro!
I swear my orc team probably use some trash or enemy teeth instead of gold because ALL (no kidding, was like 4-5 times in a ROW) referees declined my bribes! I even take second apo instead of bribes because of that...
Last edited by GFI_Joe; Jan 31, 2017 @ 9:22am
Hairy Coo Jan 31, 2017 @ 9:33am 
It is just the dice, mate, not a bug. Opposites also happen - like rolling 6s when 6 would be the only good outcome. I had a game when some crazed guy tried -2d on my blodger armed with nothing but pure madness and rolled double 6s on a block. Twice in the same game. And he also 6+ dodged in a cage and 1d pow my blodger a bit later in the game. Rng was surely bugged there too :)
kallisti.maya Jan 31, 2017 @ 10:24am 
Thinking the RNG in a game is rigged/buggy/broken is a natural conclussion to make. It's not broken but I totally get that you feel it might be.

Before playing BB2 I played tabletop version waaay back in the day and consecutive double skulls and 1's that caused turnover after turnover happened alot... Like ALOT. Playing any game that uses dice (physically) always has those runs of "bad Luck" and when it happens when your rolling actual dice you put it down to be the unlukiest mofo ever. Your not rigging yourself and the dice dont have a mind of their own so there is nothing to point at and think is broken so you have to put it down to incredibly "bad luck".

The digital experience is different though your not fully in control, your not throwing actual dice, you press a button and a random result is spawned. So rahter than it being bad luck you got Quad double skulls for the 3rd turn in a row it is within the realm of possibility that the element of the process a digital one at that is broken... as I said it's an entirely natural reaction to have, especially if your newish to the game.

Even though I played tabletop and had the same bad luck on tabletop as BB2 when I first played I had games where I was sure that the RNG was broken. Truth is (after playing a fair amount of BB2 that its not broken it's just random and becuase its random you have games where all the dice go your way and your opponent gets screwed, games where its the opposite and I am fairly certain way more games where its everything inbetween. You just dont remember those games becuase nothing wierd or broken (to you atleast) happened.

Another big factor in your perception is how experienced/good you are at the game. I am not commenting on your skills/experience per see (you could be the greatest player ever) but when I was posting the same "I think the RNG is broken" posts on these forums many experienced coaches and all the videos / streamers always mentioned that once you learn to minimize your risks/dice rolls you game improves and your "Bad Luck" is minimized also. It's true, I am not the greatest coach ever (far from it probably) but I do minimize my risks / dice rolls and those games were everthign goes to ♥♥♥♥ for me happen far less often.

Point is that the RNG isnt broken (although it may feel that way sometimes), how you play the game makes a difference (honestly it really does) and if you plan strategies that dont involve needless blocks, crazy dodges and most of all GFI's (unless its a game changer) then you will have less Bad Luck games and in 6 months from now you can be the dude/dudette that frustates the the poster of the "RNG is broken" post becuase you've obviously not had games as one sided as theres were (FYI everyone thats posted has had as ♥♥♥♥♥♥ or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ games than you :))
Last edited by kallisti.maya; Jan 31, 2017 @ 10:43am
Daniel Jan 31, 2017 @ 10:43am 
Human nature to assume a seen occurence connects to a previously seen occurence. If you like to believe the dice are streaky/favoring one side, you are free to do so.

It does however not mean you remember all dice rolls, nor does it mean it is not random.
Dode Jan 31, 2017 @ 11:43am 
gpanto, it's just variance.
gpantano Jan 31, 2017 @ 3:12pm 
ok...thanks guys. guess i'll just enjoy the matches!
Rylock Jan 31, 2017 @ 3:38pm 
People are good at picking out and remembering patterns. You remember that time you rolled 5 6's in a row to dodge, pick up the ball, and gfi into the touchdown with an ogre, or the time your opponent broke armor on every block and you had 3 guys at the end of the first half, but nobody remembers the times the dice were ok and average.

Just curse nuffle like the rest of us and you'll be fine.
Last edited by Rylock; Jan 31, 2017 @ 3:39pm
gpantano Feb 2, 2017 @ 4:50am 
well guys... i've just gone through a 8 times rollin 1 IN A ROW!!!!! not joking i'm playing against "dead alliance" in champion's ladder...
LOL
Hairy Coo Feb 2, 2017 @ 4:52am 
Originally posted by gpantano:
well guys... i've just gone through a 8 times rollin 1 IN A ROW!!!!! not joking i'm playing against "dead alliance" in champion's ladder...
LOL

Try verify game cache. It won't help, but at least you did something about it. =)
Dode Feb 2, 2017 @ 5:54am 
Originally posted by gpantano:
well guys... i've just gone through a 8 times rollin 1 IN A ROW!!!!! not joking i'm playing against "dead alliance" in champion's ladder...
LOL
Yep, had that before myself. On tabletop. It happens.
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