Are macro's allowed?

[Squirting Elephant]

Are macro's allowed? And if so, what will we be allowed to do with them and what not?

Update:
I created a support request about this just to be safe.

Update2:
Response back:

No, we do not allow macros as they can be used for exploiting the game. Please refrain from using such tools as they are in violation of both Steam' and ours Terms of Use.

[GuNNuP]

Unless you are using a cheat engine, NO GAME EVER HAS BANNED FOR IT. lots of hackers blaim their macro software. None of that is the truth. (as long as it's a known thing just for macros.) Don't use scripts, Autohotkey I don't think gets banned by even vac, or blizzard's anti-cheat.

[Squirting Elephant]

League of Legends bans you for using macro's. So did World of Warcraft and many other games.

[GuNNuP]

Originally posted by Silver:

League of Legends bans you for using macro's. So did World of Warcraft and many other games.

the people that got banned for using "macros" are lying. The freaking gameboard G13, advertises WOW, a few years back and even has LCD screan information on it,(the developer of the game had to create the screen immage) as well as other things. And it's only USE IS MACRO.

[Spooky]

What? WoW banning for Macro? You can write your own, ingame. Serious .. What you are talking about? PS: Nice troll tho. *lol

[VolOpt]

Not really sure what you would macro in this game?
I mean it is pretty simple. There are only three special attacks and holding M1 perma engages your primary attack.

[Squirting Elephant]

I have an official statement from Riot about macros. Also WoW does obviously not ban for ingame macros that they supply themselves. But automatization macro's from external programs may get you banned depending on the type of macro. This includes G13 macro's, personally I use G19.
Also wan't sure if I should or should not report Spooky's post.

So back on topic:
Nobody knows? Because Spooky & Gunnup I can not take serious. I should probably just contact support.

Originally posted by VolOpt:

Not really sure what you would macro in this game?

I'd like to macro the level that I have to run non-stop for getting to level 50. Because normal/hard/incursion = too easy and too boring. But I can't really be bothered to grind it.
With a macro you can grind all characters to max level in no-time, and fully solo, not bothering other people.

But I fear this would count as 'botting' and would not be allowed. But perhaps an anti-afk macro.

[Squirting Elephant]

[EDITED]

I'm still not sure

use any unauthorized third party programs, including but not limited to "mods," "hacks," "cheats," "scripts," "bots," "trainers," and automation programs, that interact with Playverse in any way, for any purpose (including, without limitation, any unauthorized third party programs that intercept, emulate, or redirect any communication between the Software or Playverse and any unauthorized third party programs that collect information about Playverse by reading areas of memory used by Playverse or the Software to store or use information);

Macro's can be scripts, they are automation software and they emulate. So very much not allowed. BUT, they are not between the software and playverse. They are between the player and the software. They do not interact with PlayVerse, they only interact with the PC, which then interacts with the software, which then interacts with PlayVerse. But this is kinda vague.

I submitted a support request about this to be 100% sure.

[UberNyuber]

A friend of mine got banned in WoW years ago for writing a macro (no ingame macro), that would kill a mob over and over again, because he didn´t want to wait for it to respawn and sit in front of the computer. xD

Ontopic:
Yes, that would be botting and I´m 100% sure that is not allowed.

[DianCecht]

If they dont get back to you soon we might be able to get an answer out of them during the stream today

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Originally posted by Silver:

[EDITED]

I'm still not sure

use any unauthorized third party programs, including but not limited to "mods," "hacks," "cheats," "scripts," "bots," "trainers," and automation programs, that interact with Playverse in any way, for any purpose (including, without limitation, any unauthorized third party programs that intercept, emulate, or redirect any communication between the Software or Playverse and any unauthorized third party programs that collect information about Playverse by reading areas of memory used by Playverse or the Software to store or use information);

Macro's can be scripts, they are automation software and they emulate. So very much not allowed. BUT, they are not between the software and playverse. They are between the player and the software. They do not interact with PlayVerse, they only interact with the PC, which then interacts with the software, which then interacts with PlayVerse. But this is kinda vague.

I submitted a support request about this to be 100% sure.

Yeah I think you will end up banned if you used a macro to do what you want. They want ppl to play this game themselfs to keep it fair. Even if you do manage to find a way thats not stated in the terms i bet you still end up with a ban.

Just play the game yourself don't risk it.

[GuNNuP]

Originally posted by Dorn:

A friend of mine got banned in WoW years ago for writing a macro (no ingame macro), that would kill a mob over and over again, because he didn´t want to wait for it to respawn and sit in front of the computer. xD

Ontopic:
Yes, that would be botting and I´m 100% sure that is not allowed.

that's a bot, not a macro. Again these people mess with the OP and call a bot program a macro? This is pure proof that these people are liars or don't know what a macro is. No macro is a bot... Get the terminalogy strait. All it does is write a series of key presses, and can be toggled. But these key presses are no where near accurate enough to know when to run away, or heal, or do any number of things that are needed to kill a monster over and over again. People that call BOTTING, macros, don't know what macros are. or liars to make people afraid of using these Logitech programs or other things worried. just so they may have a chance to get their ban removed for botting. No company bans for macros. There is absolutely no way for them to tell if you are pressing a keyboard button or a program that has a series of buttons when pressed. They both come out that you pressed a keyboard button. or mouse button.

It's a common thing to lie about in other games to try to get unbanned from cheating.

And people that write bots, write scripts, some with AI of their own.

[DianCecht]

I think the problem here is what Silver wants to do is Botting but he is calling in Macroing. He wants to have it so it plays the game for him cause "I can't really be bothered to grind it".

The easiest way to keep them seperate is a Macro lessens the number of buttons you press to trigger a small event (say casting Flash then Ignite on a target you are mousing over in LoL). While a Bot, once turned on, would handle everything from moving toward the target, attacking them, using skills, ect

[Squirting Elephant]

Well I could transform it into a macro by requiring a button press to repair, and upgrade all turrets for example. So that it would require 1 button press per wave. Thus becomming a macro. But it depends on what you call a "small event". Personally I find it very hard to see the difference between bots and macro's.

But even a macro for an anti-afk (which is a long event), or a macro to autosell my bags would already be appreciated. Even if the 'botting' is not allowed.

Macro's are often scripts. Bots are often programs and bots often require to read memory as well. That I know. But there is no official dictionary on this that I could find.

[VolOpt]

Originally posted by GuNNuP:

Originally posted by Dorn:

A friend of mine got banned in WoW years ago for writing a macro (no ingame macro), that would kill a mob over and over again, because he didn´t want to wait for it to respawn and sit in front of the computer. xD

Ontopic:
Yes, that would be botting and I´m 100% sure that is not allowed.

that's a bot, not a macro. Again these people mess with the OP and call a bot program a macro? This is pure proof that these people are liars or don't know what a macro is. No macro is a bot... Get the terminalogy strait. All it does is write a series of key presses, and can be toggled. But these key presses are no where near accurate enough to know when to run away, or heal, or do any number of things that are needed to kill a monster over and over again. People that call BOTTING, macros, don't know what macros are. or liars to make people afraid of using these Logitech programs or other things worried. just so they may have a chance to get their ban removed for botting. No company bans for macros. There is absolutely no way for them to tell if you are pressing a keyboard button or a program that has a series of buttons when pressed. They both come out that you pressed a keyboard button. or mouse button.

It's a common thing to lie about in other games to try to get unbanned from cheating.

And people that write bots, write scripts, some with AI of their own.

Games that have built in macroing capability have it because they don't want to control the extent of what people can macro. For the most part they don't care if you want to be able to press one button and have it cast a specific seriese of spells. Becuse you are there pressing that button.

You would be surprised how complicated an action you can pull off with a macro that uses nothing but keyboard commands. Most functions of an MMO have a keyboard equivelant. So killing a mob that you know where it is going to spawn, looting the corpse and healing up wouldn't be that difficult with a macro. You don't need to write a full on bot. Which is why a lot of games outright blacklist macros even tho most of them ultimately don't really care about simple convinience macros.

I mean you would be looking at targeting a mob, most MMOs that tends to be tab. Use a ranged attack to aggro and bring it in. Execute a spell/melee chain that is sufficient to kill it. Hit whatever button the game has for auto looting if that isn't already automatic. That's like 4-10 buttons maybe.

The OP suggested they wanted to be able to macro level setups. Which is going to be a macro that is recording both the mouse and keyboard. More complicated but not by much. It would not be difficult to macro an entire level from setup, upgrades, repair. Yeah you are probably going to have your avatar stand on the crystal during the round because it isn't capable of adaptive defense, you are relying entierly on your towers. And there are ways to detect that. For example when the server detects you putting a tower in the exact same spot for the nTH time, if they have any sort of bot detection built in, it is likely going off.

Now Trendy could totally put the breaks to this by having you start randomly in one of the four locations even if you where playing solo. It wouldn't have any effect on a normal player hell they probably wouldn't even notice but a macro would start running into walls, miss location of the gems. Start trying to build with no mana and initiate the level start with no defenses. Which would be hilarious :P

[UberNyuber]

Originally posted by GuNNuP:

Originally posted by Dorn:

A friend of mine got banned in WoW years ago for writing a macro (no ingame macro), that would kill a mob over and over again, because he didn´t want to wait for it to respawn and sit in front of the computer. xD

Ontopic:
Yes, that would be botting and I´m 100% sure that is not allowed.

that's a bot, not a macro. Again these people mess with the OP and call a bot program a macro? This is pure proof that these people are liars or don't know what a macro is. No macro is a bot... Get the terminalogy strait. All it does is write a series of key presses, and can be toggled. But these key presses are no where near accurate enough to know when to run away, or heal, or do any number of things that are needed to kill a monster over and over again. People that call BOTTING, macros, don't know what macros are. or liars to make people afraid of using these Logitech programs or other things worried. just so they may have a chance to get their ban removed for botting. No company bans for macros. There is absolutely no way for them to tell if you are pressing a keyboard button or a program that has a series of buttons when pressed. They both come out that you pressed a keyboard button. or mouse button.

It's a common thing to lie about in other games to try to get unbanned from cheating.

And people that write bots, write scripts, some with AI of their own.

Well obviously that´s what his "macro/script" did. Only pressing the "attack" and "loot" buttons. Simply written with the text editor.

He only got caught, because somebody saw his character standing there for hours, without him ever responding when sending a whisper.