dark assassins solution

[LogosPariah]

Dark Assassins have become my white whale. but I have a solution.

bridge the gap between the dark assassins of DD1 and DD2. what do I mean by this? a cloaked, (invisible to towers) on foot, charger. essentially, it charges players disregarding towers, while towers also ignore it, up until it reaches and strikes the player, at which point it becomes visible to towers. tho it would be invisible to towers, players could still see it charging thru crowds, giving them an opportunity to stop them before they attack. with this, they could continue to fulfill their role of discouraging idle play and boosting, while still being an engaging and fair enemy to deal with mechanically. them being on foot would also prevent the issue of maps like the throne room where you can disregard them entirely.

[LogosPariah]

Cranky a écrit :

Silly Smiler a écrit :

hey goober, just because I no longer experience something personally, doesn't mean I need to start being complacent. and over my hundreds of hours in the game, this enemy has stuck with me as the laziest and most poorly designed. EVERY other enemy in the game, minus some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ bosses, can be dispatched without receiving damage as long as you deal with them correctly. and no other normal enemy stuns you, that's a power left for bosses, except this one enemy who simultaneously happens to be unavoidable. I can't think of a single unavoidable enemy, much less one with an extensive stun, in any game that has been met with anything other than contempt and annoyance. because that sort of thing, nowadays, is rightly seen as a cheap and half assed means of inflating difficulty. if you simps didn't have thousands of hours already, you wouldn't be defending this ♥♥♥♥.

This is simply a skill issue. Assassins can be countered in over 10 different ways, and can be countered without taking any damage if you build correctly. Have you tried getting better?

one look at your account told me more than enough. you're a smelly, chronically online and socially ostracized cretin who's never felt the warmth of another human being against their body. not to mention painfully uneducated and complacent in your ignorance with zero desire to explore ideas outside your own. I've had the misfortune of working around or otherwise having to exist around mouth breathers like you. go outside real quick and stop power tripping with your "knowledge" of an obscure online videogame. "it stops being a problem if you spend hundreds of hours grinding and working to acquire the right items" is a pathetically unemployed defense for an objectively lazy and thoughtless design decision.

[The Virologist]

Silly Smiler a écrit :

Cranky a écrit :

This is simply a skill issue. Assassins can be countered in over 10 different ways, and can be countered without taking any damage if you build correctly. Have you tried getting better?

one look at your account told me more than enough. you're a smelly, chronically online and socially ostracized cretin who's never felt the warmth of another human being against their body. not to mention painfully uneducated and complacent in your ignorance with zero desire to explore ideas outside your own. I've had the misfortune of working around or otherwise having to exist around mouth breathers like you. go outside real quick and stop power tripping with your "knowledge" of an obscure online videogame. "it stops being a problem if you spend hundreds of hours grinding and working to acquire the right items" is a pathetically unemployed defense for an objectively lazy and thoughtless design decision.

there ya go there little fella, this shall soothe that heavy damage. see if you learned how to counter dark assassins properly, we would be easily counterable.

[PrincessMolestia]

Silly Smiler a écrit :

Cranky a écrit :

This is simply a skill issue. Assassins can be countered in over 10 different ways, and can be countered without taking any damage if you build correctly. Have you tried getting better?

one look at your account told me more than enough. you're a smelly, chronically online and socially ostracized cretin who's never felt the warmth of another human being against their body. not to mention painfully uneducated and complacent in your ignorance with zero desire to explore ideas outside your own. I've had the misfortune of working around or otherwise having to exist around mouth breathers like you. go outside real quick and stop power tripping with your "knowledge" of an obscure online videogame. "it stops being a problem if you spend hundreds of hours grinding and working to acquire the right items" is a pathetically unemployed defense for an objectively lazy and thoughtless design decision.

Hey hey Assassins your our man, he can't beat you but we all can! Goooooooooo Assassins!

[LogosPariah]

TheBlackBuddhaOfZen a écrit :

Silly Smiler a écrit :

one look at your account told me more than enough. you're a smelly, chronically online and socially ostracized cretin who's never felt the warmth of another human being against their body. not to mention painfully uneducated and complacent in your ignorance with zero desire to explore ideas outside your own. I've had the misfortune of working around or otherwise having to exist around mouth breathers like you. go outside real quick and stop power tripping with your "knowledge" of an obscure online videogame. "it stops being a problem if you spend hundreds of hours grinding and working to acquire the right items" is a pathetically unemployed defense for an objectively lazy and thoughtless design decision.

:touchsomegrass: there ya go there little fella, this shall soothe that heavy damage. see if you learned how to counter dark assassins properly, we would be easily counterable.

PrincessMolestia a écrit :

Silly Smiler a écrit :

one look at your account told me more than enough. you're a smelly, chronically online and socially ostracized cretin who's never felt the warmth of another human being against their body. not to mention painfully uneducated and complacent in your ignorance with zero desire to explore ideas outside your own. I've had the misfortune of working around or otherwise having to exist around mouth breathers like you. go outside real quick and stop power tripping with your "knowledge" of an obscure online videogame. "it stops being a problem if you spend hundreds of hours grinding and working to acquire the right items" is a pathetically unemployed defense for an objectively lazy and thoughtless design decision.

Hey hey Assassins your our man, he can't beat you but we all can! Goooooooooo Assassins!

you guys are so strange in such an embarrassing way. like I work hard these days to be a less judgmental person, but then somebody like any of you comes along and I just can't help but wonder how we're the same species.

[The Virologist]

Silly Smiler a écrit :

TheBlackBuddhaOfZen a écrit :

there ya go there little fella, this shall soothe that heavy damage. see if you learned how to counter dark assassins properly, we would be easily counterable.

PrincessMolestia a écrit :

Hey hey Assassins your our man, he can't beat you but we all can! Goooooooooo Assassins!

you guys are so strange in such an embarrassing way. like I work hard these days to be a less judgmental person, but then somebody like any of you comes along and I just can't help but wonder how we're the same species.

so now you are judging our species on Pride Month?! Wow...I am just at a loss of words at how you people judge someone based on their choice of species. smh

[Cranky]

Silly Smiler a écrit :

Cranky a écrit :

This is simply a skill issue. Assassins can be countered in over 10 different ways, and can be countered without taking any damage if you build correctly. Have you tried getting better?

one look at your account told me more than enough. you're a smelly, chronically online and socially ostracized cretin who's never felt the warmth of another human being against their body. not to mention painfully uneducated and complacent in your ignorance with zero desire to explore ideas outside your own. I've had the misfortune of working around or otherwise having to exist around mouth breathers like you. go outside real quick and stop power tripping with your "knowledge" of an obscure online videogame. "it stops being a problem if you spend hundreds of hours grinding and working to acquire the right items" is a pathetically unemployed defense for an objectively lazy and thoughtless design decision.

one look at your account told me more than enough. you're a smelly, chronically online and socially ostracized cretin who's never felt the warmth of another human being against their body.

I'm not smelly.

not to mention painfully uneducated and complacent in your ignorance with zero desire to explore ideas outside your own.

I guarantee that I'm vastly more educated than you are.

I've had the misfortune of working around or otherwise having to exist around mouth breathers like you. go outside real quick and stop power tripping with your "knowledge" of an obscure online videogame.

I don't remember asking.

"it stops being a problem if you spend hundreds of hours grinding and working to acquire the right items" is a pathetically unemployed defense for an objectively lazy and thoughtless design decision.

This is what we call a strawman argument. So, rather than engage in logical fallacies, can you construct an argument as to why I'm incorrect? Or, rather than cry like an overgrown toddler, why don't you ask me what I mean when I state there are over 10 ways to counter assassins, some being which involve taking zero damage?

If I can install the game fresh out of the box, begin on hard difficulty and grind to chaos 5, use chaos 4 gear to completely counter assassins, with the base 4 heros, then this is indeed a skill issue.

However, by the way you type and your righteous indignation over a subject that is irrelevant to the conversation here, I think the skill issue might be in your frontal lobe. I'm sorry to hear it, guy.

[Cranky]

Part 2.

(don't call this a strawman just because I didn't literally quote you. focus on answering my question)

I am going to call you out on fallacies every time you try to put words in my mouth or make arguments in bad faith. You can either be intellectually honest, or you can drop it.

if anything doesn't that just indicate further that it's current state is flawed? is it not a indicative of some kind of fundamental flaw when players actively work to wholly circumvent an aspect of your game?

It's not a flaw if it's by design. I circumvent every single enemy just fine, as do many others who will come here to express the exact same thing. If you want to claim it's a flaw, the onus is on you to demonstrate that it's a flaw to begin with. Can you objectively show that it's a flaw, despite my previous statements to the contrary?

like you're literally just telling me to take steps to, in practice, remove the enemy from the game for myself. if you don't have an adequate justification for your bandaid on a bullet wound of a fix, then go somewhere else.

Yes, I'm telling you to stop being dogwater at the game and just get better. What you've described thus far is a skill issue.

Stop crying.

Also, learn paragraphs. The way you format your posts is disgusting and we're getting into tl;dr territory.

[LogosPariah]

Cranky a écrit :

Part 2.

(don't call this a strawman just because I didn't literally quote you. focus on answering my question)

I am going to call you out on fallacies every time you try to put words in my mouth or make arguments in bad faith. You can either be intellectually honest, or you can drop it.

if anything doesn't that just indicate further that it's current state is flawed? is it not a indicative of some kind of fundamental flaw when players actively work to wholly circumvent an aspect of your game?

It's not a flaw if it's by design. I circumvent every single enemy just fine, as do many others who will come here to express the exact same thing. If you want to claim it's a flaw, the onus is on you to demonstrate that it's a flaw to begin with. Can you objectively show that it's a flaw, despite my previous statements to the contrary?

like you're literally just telling me to take steps to, in practice, remove the enemy from the game for myself. if you don't have an adequate justification for your bandaid on a bullet wound of a fix, then go somewhere else.

Yes, I'm telling you to stop being dogwater at the game and just get better. What you've described thus far is a skill issue.

Stop crying.

Also, learn paragraphs. The way you format your posts is disgusting and we're getting into tl;dr territory.

you don't even know the practical definition of a logical fallacy, you're just being a crybaby grasping at straws. explain to me how I mischaracterized what you said. I don't know what I expected tho, the first thing in your description is "proud trump voter," critical thinking is clearly outside your realm of expertise. you can't wholly circumvent any other enemy in the game, because the dark assassin is the only enemy that EXCLUSIVELY targets the player. no matter what any other enemy is still capable of dealing some amount of damage no matter what, it's not the same thing. i know this game is all you have, but posturing over a videogame is pathetic behavior. this is why you're lonely. I'm not gonna waste my time formatting my text for some smug trog on the internet.

[The Virologist]

Silly Smiler a écrit :

Cranky a écrit :

Part 2.



I am going to call you out on fallacies every time you try to put words in my mouth or make arguments in bad faith. You can either be intellectually honest, or you can drop it.



It's not a flaw if it's by design. I circumvent every single enemy just fine, as do many others who will come here to express the exact same thing. If you want to claim it's a flaw, the onus is on you to demonstrate that it's a flaw to begin with. Can you objectively show that it's a flaw, despite my previous statements to the contrary?



Yes, I'm telling you to stop being dogwater at the game and just get better. What you've described thus far is a skill issue.

Stop crying.

Also, learn paragraphs. The way you format your posts is disgusting and we're getting into tl;dr territory.

you don't even know the practical definition of a logical fallacy, you're just being a crybaby grasping at straws. explain to me how I mischaracterized what you said. I don't know what I expected tho, the first thing in your description is "proud trump voter," critical thinking is clearly outside your realm of expertise. you can't wholly circumvent any other enemy in the game, because the dark assassin is the only enemy that EXCLUSIVELY targets the player. no matter what any other enemy is still capable of dealing some amount of damage no matter what, it's not the same thing. i know this game is all you have, but posturing over a videogame is pathetic behavior. this is why you're lonely. I'm not gonna waste my time formatting my text for some smug trog on the internet.

Insults someone over Lack of Critical thinking skills, yet same person doesn't have the critical thinking skills to counter one easy enemy.

Now you've gone from suggesting:

"a cloaked, (invisible to towers) on foot, charger. essentially, it charges players disregarding towers, while towers also ignore it, up until it reaches and strikes the player - they could continue to fulfill their role of discouraging idle play and boosting"

To saying: "because the dark assassin is the only enemy that EXCLUSIVELY targets the player."

So you literally contradict yourself here.

[Cranky]

Silly Smiler a écrit :

Cranky a écrit :

Part 2.



I am going to call you out on fallacies every time you try to put words in my mouth or make arguments in bad faith. You can either be intellectually honest, or you can drop it.



It's not a flaw if it's by design. I circumvent every single enemy just fine, as do many others who will come here to express the exact same thing. If you want to claim it's a flaw, the onus is on you to demonstrate that it's a flaw to begin with. Can you objectively show that it's a flaw, despite my previous statements to the contrary?



Yes, I'm telling you to stop being dogwater at the game and just get better. What you've described thus far is a skill issue.

Stop crying.

Also, learn paragraphs. The way you format your posts is disgusting and we're getting into tl;dr territory.

you don't even know the practical definition of a logical fallacy, you're just being a crybaby grasping at straws. explain to me how I mischaracterized what you said. I don't know what I expected tho, the first thing in your description is "proud trump voter," critical thinking is clearly outside your realm of expertise. you can't wholly circumvent any other enemy in the game, because the dark assassin is the only enemy that EXCLUSIVELY targets the player. no matter what any other enemy is still capable of dealing some amount of damage no matter what, it's not the same thing. i know this game is all you have, but posturing over a videogame is pathetic behavior. this is why you're lonely. I'm not gonna waste my time formatting my text for some smug trog on the internet.

tl;dr, ur dookie.

[TigerHawkins]

Or you build a defense such as geyer trap (huntress geyser, not oil geyser) which auto stuns. It removes the assassin immediately. Earthshatter with earth toss. Or have your towers cause a stunning status condition like petrify or electrocution. OR get full tenacity on your hero. they will still latch onto you, but you can still act and attack them. You have plenty of options. The literal point of different chaos tiers and enemies is to shake up your style and approach to address new threats, and ultimately prepare you for onslaught/survival. I think they're a good addition. It's not a single arbitrary answer, but several ones, and you can get away with them.

[Cranky]

Rawk Hawk a écrit :

Or you build a defense such as geyer trap (huntress geyser, not oil geyser) which auto stuns. It removes the assassin immediately. Earthshatter with earth toss. Or have your towers cause a stunning status condition like petrify or electrocution. OR get full tenacity on your hero. they will still latch onto you, but you can still act and attack them. You have plenty of options. The literal point of different chaos tiers and enemies is to shake up your style and approach to address new threats, and ultimately prepare you for onslaught/survival. I think they're a good addition. It's not a single arbitrary answer, but several ones, and you can get away with them.

I explained this to him in great detail and because he has such a pedestrian understanding of the game's mechanics and some kind of narcissistic disorder, he's unwilling to learn or listen to anything, especially from people who know better. Let him scream into the void.

[The Virologist]

Cranky a écrit :

Rawk Hawk a écrit :

Or you build a defense such as geyer trap (huntress geyser, not oil geyser) which auto stuns. It removes the assassin immediately. Earthshatter with earth toss. Or have your towers cause a stunning status condition like petrify or electrocution. OR get full tenacity on your hero. they will still latch onto you, but you can still act and attack them. You have plenty of options. The literal point of different chaos tiers and enemies is to shake up your style and approach to address new threats, and ultimately prepare you for onslaught/survival. I think they're a good addition. It's not a single arbitrary answer, but several ones, and you can get away with them.

I explained this to him in great detail and because he has such a pedestrian understanding of the game's mechanics and some kind of narcissistic disorder, he's unwilling to learn or listen to anything, especially from people who know better. Let him scream into the void.

I think we've had like 5 people literally give him the very same advice and breakdown rawk did. but he's just too blind and single tracked minded to really grasp the concept.

[Cranky]

TheBlackBuddhaOfZen a écrit :

Cranky a écrit :

I explained this to him in great detail and because he has such a pedestrian understanding of the game's mechanics and some kind of narcissistic disorder, he's unwilling to learn or listen to anything, especially from people who know better. Let him scream into the void.

I think we've had like 5 people literally give him the very same advice and breakdown rawk did. but he's just too blind and single tracked minded to really grasp the concept.

That's the thing, I'm here to make DD2 great again. And I've been making it great for a solid 7 years. I build great constructs to stop the orcs and assassins from getting over to my beautiful land of living legends of Etheria. This idea that assassins are difficult is fake news.

[The Virologist]

Cranky a écrit :

TheBlackBuddhaOfZen a écrit :

I think we've had like 5 people literally give him the very same advice and breakdown rawk did. but he's just too blind and single tracked minded to really grasp the concept.

That's the thing, I'm here to make DD2 great again. And I've been making it great for a solid 7 years. I build great constructs to stop the orcs and assassins from getting over to my beautiful land of living legends of Etheria. This idea that assassins are difficult are fake news.

Careful now, Orc-zaio Goblinz here is a young Etherian politician who wants to cry at the fence where the non-counterable Dark Assassins are and say that they need to be changed for enemies of the same caliber, with the exact same mechanics and cry foul at your experience.