Shard Vault should be called SHART Vault

[Joker]

Absolutely stupid. If you put your shards in for storage you lose ALL the gold you put in to update that shard including Hypershards. I know this was called out as the upgrades would be removed but it didn't state if that gold upgrade was just lost or not. Massive idiotic move from Chromatic, thousands of hours in this game and much money spent to support them, I'll be uninstalling this game and will not support this studio any longer. They have absolutely lost their minds in their latest half baked ideas that make the players and community suffer.

[The Virologist]

Originally posted by Joker:

Absolutely stupid. If you put your shards in for storage you lose ALL the gold you put in to update that shard including Hypershards. I know this was called out as the upgrades would be removed but it didn't state if that gold upgrade was just lost or not. Massive idiotic move from Chromatic, thousands of hours in this game and much money spent to support them, I'll be uninstalling this game and will not support this studio any longer. They have absolutely lost their minds in their latest half baked ideas that make the players and community suffer.

It was actually stated that gilded/hypershards/shards in general would loose all upgrades, including gold used if placed in shard vault due to the way vault shard was coded/programmed.

I mean, in all honesty if you are placing gilded shards/upgraded hypershards thats kinda of a big idiotic move on your part.

[Kambien]

Originally posted by General Oinker:

Originally posted by Joker:

Absolutely stupid. If you put your shards in for storage you lose ALL the gold you put in to update that shard including Hypershards. I know this was called out as the upgrades would be removed but it didn't state if that gold upgrade was just lost or not. Massive idiotic move from Chromatic, thousands of hours in this game and much money spent to support them, I'll be uninstalling this game and will not support this studio any longer. They have absolutely lost their minds in their latest half baked ideas that make the players and community suffer.

It was actually stated that gilded/hypershards/shards in general would loose all upgrades, including gold used if placed in shard vault due to the way vault shard was coded/programmed.

I mean, in all honesty if you are placing gilded shards/upgraded hypershards thats kinda of a big idiotic move on your part.

Actually, it's nothing that should be put on the player base. They should make it so the shard CANNOT be moved to the shard vault or if should give a giant warning. This is a massive fail on Trendy's part for not implementing such a simple safety feature for the playerbase.

[The Virologist]

Originally posted by Kambien:

Originally posted by General Oinker:

It was actually stated that gilded/hypershards/shards in general would loose all upgrades, including gold used if placed in shard vault due to the way vault shard was coded/programmed.

I mean, in all honesty if you are placing gilded shards/upgraded hypershards thats kinda of a big idiotic move on your part.

Actually, it's nothing that should be put on the player base. They should make it so the shard CANNOT be moved to the shard vault or if should give a giant warning. This is a massive fail on Trendy's part for not implementing such a simple safety feature for the playerbase.

The warning was literally given in the update notes LOL.

But if anything it is a massive fail on both parties then. A fail on Chromatic (Not trendy anymore btw) for not adding such a failsafe and a fail on the playerbase for not reading update notes.

[Naviss]

Pretty sure we all lost some money in upgrades learning how it really worked, no matter what patch notes said.
It's a bummer and hurt some more than others. But I think no matter what, there wasn't anyway for them to make a proper storage vault, due to the games engine.

As someone who also lost many millions learning the hard way, I'm super happy we have the shard vault, since shards took up over 90% of my bags and bank spaces.

[Kambien]

Originally posted by General Oinker:

Originally posted by Kambien:

Actually, it's nothing that should be put on the player base. They should make it so the shard CANNOT be moved to the shard vault or if should give a giant warning. This is a massive fail on Trendy's part for not implementing such a simple safety feature for the playerbase.

The warning was literally given in the update notes LOL.

But if anything it is a massive fail on both parties then. A fail on Chromatic (Not trendy anymore btw) for not adding such a failsafe and a fail on the playerbase for not reading update notes.

There is a huge difference between upgrade notes and in-game.

It is a massive fail on Trendy, not the players. The amount of players that read release notes are less than 10% of any playerbase.

[The Virologist]

Originally posted by Kambien:

Originally posted by General Oinker:

The warning was literally given in the update notes LOL.

But if anything it is a massive fail on both parties then. A fail on Chromatic (Not trendy anymore btw) for not adding such a failsafe and a fail on the playerbase for not reading update notes.

There is a huge difference between upgrade notes and in-game.

It is a massive fail not on Trendy, not the players. The amount of players that read release notes are less than 10% of any playerbase.

not on trendy and not on the players? so no one is at fault? okay got ya.

[Kambien]

Originally posted by General Oinker:

Originally posted by Kambien:

There is a huge difference between upgrade notes and in-game.

It is a massive fail not on Trendy, not the players. The amount of players that read release notes are less than 10% of any playerbase.

not on trendy and not on the players? so no one is at fault? okay got ya.

*chuckles* Meant fault on Trendy.

My only frustration is they implement some great features at times. But they don't completely consider the customer or user experience. Some of these can and have hurt the playerbase at large. Things like this should be caught in QA.

Don't get me wrong, huge fan of the game. Not a huge fan of the way the team behind it does things at times. And not a huge fan of their closed community groups that have "helped" with development decisions. Some of those have been deplorable.

[The Virologist]

Originally posted by Kambien:

Originally posted by General Oinker:

not on trendy and not on the players? so no one is at fault? okay got ya.

*chuckles* Meant fault on Trendy.

My only frustration is they implement some great features at times. But they don't completely consider the customer or user experience. Some of these can and have hurt the playerbase at large. Things like this should be caught in QA.

Don't get me wrong, huge fan of the game. Not a huge fan of the way the team behind it does things at times. And not a huge fan of their closed community groups that have "helped" with development decisions. Some of those have been deplorable.

But trendy doesn't exist anymore. it's actually chromatic games...

[Dertin]

i wasnt here when patchnotes droped so i had no chance to knowing this.. RIP

[Joker]

Originally posted by Dertin:

i wasnt here when patchnotes droped so i had no chance to knowing this.. RIP

You also have to SEARCH for the updates if you look in many areas on steam you see NOTHING.

This blurb also is incorrect as it states it's limitless but then says up to 3000 shards (limitless = 3000)....so even in this posting they are giving incorrect information. They also don't warn there will be massive gold loss to store shards you bought bags and vault spaces to store them just fine with UPDATES in tact.

The vault is a great idea but it's implementation is extremely poor. If you can do it in vaults and bags, how about develop a real Shard Vault that doesn't cause massive loss in productivity in grinding out gold to invest in your shards.

This is just proof to the half baked ideas without taking into account community impact.

Blurb:


Shard Vault
Introducing the Shard Vault
! Professor Proteus has refined his Stash System, providing players with the ability to up to 3000 shards after purchase of the new vault. Do note, while the Shard Vault is limitless in capacity, stored shards will have any upgrades removed. Gilded shards will not lose their gilded status, however.

[The Virologist]

Originally posted by Joker:

Originally posted by Dertin:

i wasnt here when patchnotes droped so i had no chance to knowing this.. RIP

You also have to SEARCH for the updates if you look in many areas on steam you see NOTHING.

This blurb also is incorrect as it states it's limitless but then says up to 3000 shards (limitless = 3000)....so even in this posting they are giving incorrect information. They also don't warn there will be massive gold loss to store shards you bought bags and vault spaces to store them just fine with UPDATES in tact.

The vault is a great idea but it's implementation is extremely poor. If you can do it in vaults and bags, how about develop a real Shard Vault that doesn't cause massive loss in productivity in grinding out gold to invest in your shards.

This is just proof to the half baked ideas without taking into account community impact.

Blurb:


Shard Vault
Introducing the Shard Vault
! Professor Proteus has refined his Stash System, providing players with the ability to up to 3000 shards after purchase of the new vault. Do note, while the Shard Vault is limitless in capacity, stored shards will have any upgrades removed. Gilded shards will not lose their gilded status, however.

"stored shards will have any upgrades removed" = any and all gold used in upgrading said shards will be lost if shard is placed in vault

"Gilded Shard will not lose their gilded status" = Shards that have been gilded will not be reverted to non-gilded status aka broken back into 11 shards. Meaning they will retain their gilded status.

with that said, if they stated "Gilded Shards and Hyper Shards will not loose any Upgrades from Gold when placed in Vault" then yes, Chromatic would be in the fault for their idiotic move on their vault shard update.

I believe you are confusing Limitless with Unlimited....

[Joker]

Originally posted by General Oinker:

Originally posted by Joker:

You also have to SEARCH for the updates if you look in many areas on steam you see NOTHING.

This blurb also is incorrect as it states it's limitless but then says up to 3000 shards (limitless = 3000)....so even in this posting they are giving incorrect information. They also don't warn there will be massive gold loss to store shards you bought bags and vault spaces to store them just fine with UPDATES in tact.

The vault is a great idea but it's implementation is extremely poor. If you can do it in vaults and bags, how about develop a real Shard Vault that doesn't cause massive loss in productivity in grinding out gold to invest in your shards.

This is just proof to the half baked ideas without taking into account community impact.

Blurb:


Shard Vault
Introducing the Shard Vault
! Professor Proteus has refined his Stash System, providing players with the ability to up to 3000 shards after purchase of the new vault. Do note, while the Shard Vault is limitless in capacity, stored shards will have any upgrades removed. Gilded shards will not lose their gilded status, however.

"stored shards will have any upgrades removed" = any and all gold used in upgrading said shards will be lost if shard is placed in vault

"Gilded Shard will not lose their gilded status" = Shards that have been gilded will not be reverted to non-gilded status aka broken back into 11 shards. Meaning they will retain their gilded status.

with that said, if they stated "Gilded Shards and Hyper Shards will not loose any Upgrades from Gold when placed in Vault" then yes, Chromatic would be in the fault for their idiotic move on their vault shard update.

I believe you are confusing Limitless with Unlimited....

Your explanation is much more "user" friendly and better aligns to being "correct"

Also I'm not confusing anything. You can see definition below. Saying it's "limitless" then opposing a "limit" contradicts the term, and honestly being a developer myself they are lying. There are limits to what you can store in tables etc...which really is all player inventories are. So neither term is in fact true and they should just state that it is "Limited" to 3000 Shard storage until they see a need to expand that limit and charge the players for the right to use the higher storage.

Unlimited (adjective): Something has had no limits placed on it. It implies that it could be limited but is not. A child growing up in a free society has unlimited opportunities to create a life that they want.

Limitless (adjective): Something is free to go anywhere without barriers in the way. It implies that the thing itself has no limits; there is no implication that the thing could be limited. It is possible that the physical universe’s expansion is limitless, that it will continue to expand into an infinite nothingness.

[Sab]

It's not 3000 shards, it's 3000 stacks of 100 shards which is completely different. You will never reach the limit since 3000 stacks of 100 = 300k :). A popup would have been useless, let's take tinkering as an example. There's a popup that warns us that mods do not gain more power when tinkering, which means they keep the chaos level of the original item. A lot of people haven't read the popup and have done this mistake. I'm not sure why you guys say it's a big loss of gold when most of your shards aren't upgraded and even if they are, it's not like you're going to spend a small fortune to level them back up. They have warned us about it even when it was still in development. In a way it's good, at least it's a gold sink in some way, it's annoying short term but it will help the market long term ^_^ Reading patch notes is the best thing to do, always. As long as it can store all your shards, this feature is good and you shouldn't make it look bad just for certain details.

[Joker]

Originally posted by Sab:

It's not 3000 shards, it's 3000 stacks of 100 shards which is completely different. You will never reach the limit since 3000 stacks of 100 = 300k :). A popup would have been useless, let's take tinkering as an example. There's a popup that warns us that mods do not gain more power when tinkering, which means they keep the chaos level of the original item. A lot of people haven't read the popup and have done this mistake. I'm not sure why you guys say it's a big loss of gold when most of your shards aren't upgraded and even if they are, it's not like you're going to spend a small fortune to level them back up. They have warned us about it even when it was still in development. In a way it's good, at least it's a gold sink in some way, it's annoying short term but it will help the market long term ^_^ Reading patch notes is the best thing to do, always. As long as it can store all your shards, this feature is good and you shouldn't make it look bad just for certain details.

The point I was making is it's not "limitless" and I didn't see details that mention it will stack to 100 shards, I think that's an assumption, also the same shard with guilded shards creates a new stack.

Also I read pop-ups and warnings so that would do something, just because you can ignore it in games or choose don't show me, that's up to you and in code this is something so simple to do to give another heads up that hey what you are going to do has consequences. You don't have to spend a fortune in $$$ you can always grind back the gold, wasting your time due to something that could have been avoided if they explained it better or did something easy to develop as a reminder to players.

I enjoy there is a Shard storage but it could have been done "MUCH BETTER". It's a half backed and lazily developed solution that should have been done years ago.

[Sab]

It's not an assumption, you can have 3000 stacks of 100 shards. It was confirmed by the lead dev himself. They could've built the vault sooner, but resources went elsewhere first, there are priorities. While some might argue it should have been built sooner, the same can be said for many features. It's a lazily developed solution but at least it works perfectly fine and it didn't take them years to develop. You have empty bags/vaults now at least